That makes sense for first PD, but in my odd case, I think people would be looking at the references pretty closely. The fact that my postdoc mentors might refuse to write them would be pretty telling.
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It's against employment the law in the UK AFAIK.
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I was really upset at the time that he didn't.
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If not against law, it's almost certainly against HR policy at the institution.
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What’s the law?
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I'm not sure but regarding HR I did a training course at that and this institution and letters are required and must be obtained and read prior to hiring somebody. Even if they are weighted with a 0, which is allowed, they must be obtained prior to a hire.
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BTW I'm not really an appropriate role-model/example as I neither think I will make it realistically, nor do I want/need to be a PI.
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Sure but is a measure of a phd being on track whether they will make it as a PI one day or not? Maybe it is
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In my experience, for most people: yes. Given the reactions I get when I say I'm not interested in being a PI, I'd say mortified isn't that far off of they like me and "yeah I knew you couldn't make it" if they don't.
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But it’s a bit outdated. Majority of phd students move out of academia
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Yes. I feel like I need to underline that I don't agree with them, so I am. Nevertheless, I do have trouble not seeing myself as a failure anyway, but that's not relevant to outmoded views, just my own pessimistic outlook. 
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