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    1. Gavin Buckingham‏ @DrGBuckingham 15 Aug 2018
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      FWIW I wouldn't particularly care about publication record when hiring a postdoc - I'd care more about their skills set. I would be able to evaluate the likelihood of publications from the techniques employed in the candidate's thesis.

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    2. Dr. Yana Weinstein-Jones‏ @doctorwhy 15 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @DrGBuckingham @hisotalus and

      You would read their thesis? Pretty sure the people who hired me for their postdoc did no such thing.

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    3. Chris Madan  🐘 🧠 💻‏ @cMadan 15 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @doctorwhy @DrGBuckingham and

      I read student thesis that I'm considering for postdocs.

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    4. Dr. Yana Weinstein-Jones‏ @doctorwhy 15 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @cMadan @DrGBuckingham and

      Wait, you actually are hiring for a postdoc right now?

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    5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 15 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @doctorwhy @cMadan and

      First PD I did the PI didn't even request recommendation letters. And FWIW I have zero pubs from my PHD.

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    6. Dr. Yana Weinstein-Jones‏ @doctorwhy 15 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @cMadan and

      That makes sense for first PD, but in my odd case, I think people would be looking at the references pretty closely. The fact that my postdoc mentors might refuse to write them would be pretty telling.

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    7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 15 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @doctorwhy @cMadan and

      It's against employment the law in the UK AFAIK.

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    8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 15 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @doctorwhy and

      I was really upset at the time that he didn't.

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 15 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @doctorwhy and

      If not against law, it's almost certainly against HR policy at the institution.

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    10. Dr. Yana Weinstein-Jones‏ @doctorwhy 15 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @cMadan and

      What’s the law?

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 15 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @doctorwhy @cMadan and

      I'm not sure but regarding HR I did a training course at that and this institution and letters are required and must be obtained and read prior to hiring somebody. Even if they are weighted with a 0, which is allowed, they must be obtained prior to a hire.

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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 15 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @doctorwhy and

          BTW I'm not really an appropriate role-model/example as I neither think I will make it realistically, nor do I want/need to be a PI.

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        3. Hannimal  🇪🇺 🇬🇧 🏳️‍🌈‏ @hisotalus 15 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @doctorwhy and

          Sure but is a measure of a phd being on track whether they will make it as a PI one day or not? Maybe it is

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 15 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @hisotalus @doctorwhy and

          In my experience, for most people: yes. Given the reactions I get when I say I'm not interested in being a PI, I'd say mortified isn't that far off of they like me and "yeah I knew you couldn't make it" if they don't.

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        5. Hannimal  🇪🇺 🇬🇧 🏳️‍🌈‏ @hisotalus 15 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @doctorwhy and

          But it’s a bit outdated. Majority of phd students move out of academia

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        6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 15 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @hisotalus @doctorwhy and

          Yes. I feel like I need to underline that I don't agree with them, so I am. Nevertheless, I do have trouble not seeing myself as a failure anyway, but that's not relevant to outmoded views, just my own pessimistic outlook. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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        2. Chris Madan  🐘 🧠 💻‏ @cMadan 15 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @doctorwhy and

          Seems like a 'due diligence' thing. Some people are great on paper but horrible as human beings

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 15 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @cMadan @doctorwhy and

          I think so, hence the HR rules around this.

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        4. Matt Wall #FBPE #StopBrexit‏ @m_wall 15 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @cMadan and

          We're told that we're not allowed to write reference letters! Weird rule - private company stuff. I still do, obviously, I just use an Imperial college letterhead.

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 15 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @m_wall @cMadan and

          OK, so based on that the law must not require them just HR. I can see why they might prefer if you did not. You (=company) can totally get sued if you write a bad one.

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        6. Hannimal  🇪🇺 🇬🇧 🏳️‍🌈‏ @hisotalus 15 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @m_wall and

          I think the problem is that even if you get a bad reference letter if you’re not british it will sound good

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        2. Sam Schwarzkopf‏Verified account @sampendu 15 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @doctorwhy and

          Actually the quirky thing there (at UCL, no idea if that's general UK but I doubt it) you are only allowed to request the reference letters *after* you make an offer to the candidate. I never understood that.

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        3. Chris Madan  🐘 🧠 💻‏ @cMadan 15 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @sampendu @o_guest and

          My reference letters (at Notts) were requested after being invited for interview.

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        4. Sam Schwarzkopf‏Verified account @sampendu 15 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @cMadan @o_guest and

          That makes sense to me. Probably not much point doing it before short-listing. But after an offer? What do you then do if you don't like what you read?

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        5. Chris Madan  🐘 🧠 💻‏ @cMadan 15 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @sampendu @o_guest and

          In Canada and US, ref letters almost always required as part of initial application (so before short listing). If a letter comes after job offer, I hope there's still space for offer to be rescinded if something noteable comes to light.

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