We already have "pre-crime" crimes. If you threaten somebody that is a crime. As is preparing, e.g., a terrorist attack. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offences_Against_the_Person_Act_1861#Threats_to_kill …
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Replying to @o_guest @laurelai_bailey and
Anyway I thought you were arguing that some people are inherently bad... if not then forget what I said and we agree that people are generally OK as a default. Pre-judging people as lost causes seems more inline with the thought crimes line of argument you brought up IMHO.
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Replying to @o_guest @laurelai_bailey and
I'm not prejudging that all people are bad, I'm just saying that not everyone is equal in capacity and not everyone wants to or can be involved in their communities or engage in direct democracy. But that's me, we're all speaking subjectively
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Replying to @laurelai_bailey @o_guest and
Yup, I'll go with that. It's in the same ballpark but not the same game. I support the termination of foetuses with chromosomal disorders if thats what the mother wants. Thats a form of eugenics. The Holocaust did a lot to hold back rational discussion abt these sensitive topics.
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Replying to @laurelai_bailey @o_guest and
Wait. Either people are inherently good and therefore Nazi-like eugenics cannot be the logical conclusion, or (my perspective) we are all actually shades of grey & shd be able to discuss such things without getting into ideological shouting matches & actually look at the facts.
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Replying to @adativs @laurelai_bailey and
I never claimed people are good, just that they are OK. Discussion is great but the selection of topics open to debate, like say "debate on if trans women are women" is abusive. So when you say "market place of ideas" you actually mean the privileged get to debate our existence.
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Replying to @o_guest @laurelai_bailey and
No. I didnt promote the "marketplace of ideas" concept, I simply said its the world we live in. I dont agree with it. The debate on whether trans women are women has happened. The Q was asked, trans women said "yes we are" & that is where it shd have ended. The abuse came after.
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(Not that I am trying to speak for trans women, of course. I just mean, from my position it was a reasonable question to ask. Once, so it was on the record. And that the answer should come from trans women only and that the answer should be respected.)
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It wasn't reasonable. We don't debate every topic. The politics of which topics are open to society-level debate are pretty fucking oppressive.
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Replying to @o_guest @laurelai_bailey and
Fair enough. Like I say, I can only speak from my position and I wouldn't deign to speak from anyone else's. My point was basically that the question was asked, we cant take that back, and its sort of natural for humans to ask it. But it shd never have gone further than that.
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