Since Nazis have already been mentioned, something to remember is that even in Nazi Germany they had to be secretive. T4 was stopped & restarted as a secret operation cos ppls were so opposed, and by pls I mean essentially other Nazis as well.
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You seem determined to leap to conclusions about my viewpoint here. Theres a reason ppl have to be deprogrammed - that they can be demonstrates its not about "personal evil". I am not arguing they should be forgiven, but I'm also saying they shouldnt be executed on sight.
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I actually think it's you doing that... Do you think Laurelai and I think that back when I was brainwashed by my culture (to hate, be scared and be racist) I should have been executed?
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Yeah, me too. Ha.
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Nazism is not an ideology that has the interests of the most in mind or strives to reduce suffering, ergo "bad". Individual Nazis - not all inherently evil people. I'm sorry that I have to spell this out to you as you seem determined to misrepresent me: I DO NOT SUPPORT NAZISM.
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Not condemning all methods, Im saying that blanket violence doesnt help & generalising across the board reduces the capacity to distinguish the undeniable difference between some mixed-up kid in Tennessee & fkn Himmler! They arent the same. Im just advocating a measured response.
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I grew up around 5 armies. 5. And a lot of hardcore brainwashing and genocide committed is still not seen as serious with people boasting on the news about how many people they killed.
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My country is so fucked up. To take away from us our agency and pride in escaping the toxic thinking is really fucking out of order. There are not few people like me, many of us made it.
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I have not said that. At all. I am sorry that somewhere this touched a nerve but I have at no point said that.
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No nerves touched — don't assume I'm upset if I swear, I'm just cool like that. So yes, you are implying that I and Laurelai are lost to our brainwashing by saying anybody who has been brainwashed is somehow compromised for ever. But in fact I explained two important things:
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1) everybody is, you are too... I am just more than you because you explained that it's a military perspective you care about. 2) it's escapable... Many of use escape.
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wtf are you on abt. Are you reading sth completely diff to what Im writing? I never said or implied that either of you is indoctrinated (at least any more than anyone else)! All I said was that a lot of Nazis (like a lot of soldiers) are programmed. It doesnt always take...
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...& of course many escape. But all ive said from start is exact opposite of your representation of me. I say ppl CAN break their conditioning, that not every Nazi who thinks he wants to kill Jews is beyond deprogramming, just as not every soldier retains the military mentality.
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OK, and what you do suggest we do about those who don't deprogram?
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