So, I find this bit is key. The rad-fem argument that gender is the social construction isn’t wrong. That’s literally how they defined the word so as to use it in specific political ways 1/a couple
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Replying to @PsychScientists @djnavarro and
I think you are missing the ‘invalidating’ part here, and I feel you are going along with harmful rhetoric. If rad fem really believed that gender were a mere social construction they would have no notion if ‘real women’ to reserve for cis women.
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Replying to @IrisVanRooij @djnavarro and
That hardly follows; social constructions can be clearly defined and perfectly real I get the invalidation point; what I’m thinking is that there is more than one way to frame that experience and one of the rad fem critiques is that the current framing isn’t the best one
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Replying to @PsychScientists @djnavarro and
“That hardly follows; social constructions can be clearly defined and perfectly real.” Don’t you see the rad fem apply this differently for themselves / cis ppl than for trans and NB ppl? *That* is my point.
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Replying to @PsychScientists @IrisVanRooij and
Social constructions are real. That's really not what we're discussing here. They are real, but to say gender is 100% social as opposed to an individual identity/construction is demonstrably mistaken.
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Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and
But isn’t ‘social’ the basic rad-fem definition? Given that it certainly explains why they suggest people who say otherwise are making an error. Obviously they could be wrong too, but that’s their whole framing. Certainly gets to the source of their critiques, if not the validity
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I think you confuse radfem with TERF a lot here and I assume we're talking TERFs. So, no, it's absolutely not their whole framing. I've said (and others) many times it is not. Their framing is social until you mention trans women and then it's all about penis = male.
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