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    1. Alex Holcombe‏ @ceptional 11 Jul 2018
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      Asking people their biological sex - how do you do that? What is the current best practice for psych/cogneuro studies including sex as a factor? I found this 'birth certificate' idea here, which seems pretty good. https://diversity.wustl.edu/framework/advisory-best-practice-groups/best-practices/ …pic.twitter.com/SHEls4dGX3

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    2. Dr Nonie Finlayson‏ @noniejf 11 Jul 2018
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      I've just started asking for their sex, with "F", "M", and "Na" as the options

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    3. Dr. Kate Storrs‏ @katestorrs 11 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @noniejf @ceptional

      Agree "birth cert" framing is relatively clear and inoffensive. Few comments: 1. shouldn't it be "what *sex* is listed..."? 2. some countries allow changing birth cert, could phrase "what sex was listed when you were born?" 3. Shd also have "prefer not to say" opt out for sex Qs?

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    4. rohan kapitany‏ @Psycasm 12 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @katestorrs @noniejf @ceptional

      "how do you identify?" Female Male Other (if appropriate, please specify) Na Tbh, I don't remember ever running an analyses on sex/gender. (Though I did indeed forget to get it on a year long 7 wave longitudinal study...)

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    5. Dr. Kate Storrs‏ @katestorrs 12 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @Psycasm @noniejf @ceptional

      The question was how to ask about "biological sex" rather than gender identity.

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    6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @katestorrs @Psycasm and

      "Biological sex" (I'm not 100% comfortable w phrase) is very complicated though and intersex people exist, as I'm sure you know. So birth certificate for example is not the same as say karyotype or genitals or so many other things included under the vague term "biological sex".

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @katestorrs and

      So if you want to know what is on their birth certificate, I assume you have a scientific reason to ask this, that is all you will know what the doctor types up. But some people will [IMHO rightly] take offense at being asked this — terms CMAB and CFAB exist for a reason.

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        2. Adam LE LAN‏ @AdwardianGent 12 Jul 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @katestorrs and

          You would also need to demonstrate the justification in the application to a research ethics committee if you intend to publish results based on the data collected. Referring to precedent & demonstrating engagement with members of the trans research community would be beneficial.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Jul 2018
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          Replying to @AdwardianGent @katestorrs and

          I doubt ethics committees in many cases know/care about gender and trans issues sadly.

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        4. Adam LE LAN‏ @AdwardianGent 12 Jul 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @katestorrs and

          It is sth that is becoming increasingly recognised & as you have to justify every piece of personal data being collected & how it will be used, i think this is something RECs will need to address. That the OP is already conscious of the delicate situation makes it a good showcase

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Jul 2018
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          Replying to @AdwardianGent @katestorrs and

          Hopefully!

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        6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Jul 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @AdwardianGent and

          Also I just noticed above: "N/A" and "Other" ARE really offensive. Please don't use them. Nobody clicks on them anyway pretty much so you can't claim to be collecting any data. No agender, genderqueer, non-binary, etc., person sees themselves as being "Other" or "Not applicable"!

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Jul 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @AdwardianGent and

          If you want "N/A" to mean intersex, type "Intersex". That is the only way intersex people will tell you they are intersex pretty much.

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        8. Dr Nonie Finlayson‏ @noniejf 12 Jul 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @AdwardianGent and

          I misspoke in my tweet - I have an open field where I type in people's response. Still, probably shouldn't include it at all.

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        9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Jul 2018
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          Replying to @noniejf @AdwardianGent and

          Open field is better, but what do you get in your data? Do people use it? My guess is you aren't getting a real rich source of information with it.

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        1. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Jul 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @katestorrs and

          If you're cis, which I assume you are, it might be good to reach out to trans and intersex people if you want to ask people about their gender assignment at birth.

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