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    1. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 11 Jul 2018
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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ Retweeted Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ

      After a year plus of having written this, I'm finally seeing his view become more and more mainstream. Heartening! 😊https://twitter.com/o_guest/status/842794088315404288 …

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ @o_guest
      Blog post on Matlab! Thank you everybody & enjoy! 😊✨💖 I hate Matlab: How an IDE, a language, and a mentality harm http://neuroplausible.com/matlab  pic.twitter.com/h961QVLNuP
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    2. Benjohn Barnes‏ @benjohnbarnes 11 Jul 2018
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      The bit of this I disagree with is that “proper” programming without an IDE, keeping programs in text files and not being able to play / explore / visualise is somehow a good thing. It’s a horrible thing! It’s just what we are stuck with currently. I misunderstand?

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    3. Dima Pasechnik‏ @dimpase 11 Jul 2018
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      you can play/explore/visualise in, say, Jupyter notebook, a free IDE, very well in e.g. Python or Julia or even C++, without any Matlab tax to be paid...

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    4. Benjohn Barnes‏ @benjohnbarnes 11 Jul 2018
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      Ah, okay. I probably skimmed too much, sorry!

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 11 Jul 2018
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      Proper programming requires you to have abstract concepts in your mind. Just like proper maths isn't counting stuff on your fingers. Nothing wrong with an IDE but some abstractions are abstract and I'd prefer people got them before always using the easy way.

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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 11 Jul 2018
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          By "I prefer" I mean to say that my experience has taught me people need to learn these things and represent them internally so they can actually be productive. IDEs are great and I would never stop people using them. But some concepts are simple and must be internalised.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 11 Jul 2018
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          In the same way you want to remove training wheels because the impair learning how to ride a bike properly, there are moments in which na IDE should be avoided to promote learning. After you've learned to ride a bike, adding training wheels doesn't impair your learning.

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 11 Jul 2018
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          The metaphor only stretches a certain amount. But I think it's a basic pedagogical point.

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        5. Benjohn Barnes‏ @benjohnbarnes 11 Jul 2018
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          I'm with, I believe, @.worrydream and probably @.EdwardTufte and maybe Alan Kay – I think most of our cognitive potential comes from the cognitive tools we use. IDEs are _cognitive tools_, as much as algebra, group theory, or knowing logical fallacies.

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        6. Benjohn Barnes‏ @benjohnbarnes 11 Jul 2018
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          They're not a crutch any more than algebra is. I'd go as far as to say society and the cognitive tools it grants us are what distinguishes us from "prehistoric" humans. The hardware's barely changed. But the tools make us more.

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        7. Benjohn Barnes‏ @benjohnbarnes 11 Jul 2018
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          And this is why I am very frustrated with the tooling that exists around contemporary software engineering. I think it's extremely poor, and an enormous hinderance to our abilities.

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        8. Benjohn Barnes‏ @benjohnbarnes 11 Jul 2018
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          So – I'm not a Matlab user, and it may well be a dreadful IDE! There are lots of poor cognitive tools out there that lead us astray and stop us thinking well (eg, powerpoint & pi charts). But cognitive tools themselves, and IDEs in principle, are not the problem. IMHO.

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        9. Benjohn Barnes‏ @benjohnbarnes 11 Jul 2018
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          And also – I do agree that you might get some benefit / insight from forgoing powerful cognitive tools (eg, algebra) for a while to see what happens. But I don't think it's generally good advice.

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