I genuinely do not think it is a useful software to teach to undergraduates as a first approach to doing stats. If you like black box magic even then there are better performing OA software such as JASP. But we are gonna have to agree to disagree on this one.
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Replying to @hisotalus
Spss isn’t a black box, it can be but that is why we give statistics lectures. We spend years familiarising our students with the theory of statistics and the practice of using a stats calculator but theory is always first.
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Replying to @WilfNelson
Sorry, I do not mean to be condescending but SPSS most definitely is a black box software. They do have a command line but it is very rare anyone who can run stats on SPSS command line would decide to do that as they are then almost certainly also capable of using R
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Replying to @hisotalus @WilfNelson
I think this is a case of your personal experience being applied too broadly. I was taught SPSS in my undergraduate and we were very much all taught to use the command line (and 3rd party toolboxes).
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SPSS jeopardises research because it's essentially not verifiable, not replicable, nor open source.
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Command line doesn't directly imply it's good but it's nice to hear you were taught CLI. That's rare. It sadly doesn't change the fact you should move to something open in an ideal world.
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Agree fully about the ideal world. Not much time or money is set aside for ECRs to learn to do the things they already do, but better/more open/etc. How many people teach themselves Python/R during work hours vs after 6pm?
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I am not sure I agree with this as a true generalization across the board, but some people you are right. In the US, for example, you do get this training through out your graduate studies. And even in the UK, a lot of my peers and myself — we invest a LOT of time in expanding
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I was thinking mostly about postdocs because I seem unable to see beyond my own point of view today. You’re right that generally there is more training invested in grad school in the US. Their stats training is horrendous, however, so a lot of it has to be self-driven.
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Yeah, I'm a postdoc too as are more than half the people in my lab. I think it's says a lot about lab culture how much you are allowed to spend time on self-development too. I think we do agree in general but credit where credit is due and many ppl
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like me and I'm sure you too take the time to work on their skills. Labs in general should foster and nurture that aspect of our training too.
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