Conversely, if you're a hiring committee that makes decisions by counting publications, or IF-weighted publications, we're also irritated by your japes.
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Replying to @TraversEoin @lorraine_hope
I've never been on that kind of hiring committee you mean (i.e. for a permanent position) but I wonder how much is conscious/unconscious on an individual level and how much is literally in the "rules"/explicitly written down? I have been on other hiring committees and FWIW no IF
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or even journal names were mentioned. But of course postdoc and RSE jobs aren't the same as permanent positions and my experience is tiny either way.
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Replying to @o_guest @TraversEoin
When we hire, we plot applicant publications in a large spreadsheet alongside metrics etc (& a bunch of other information from CVs/applications) so the information for everyone is fully transparent. Conf proceedings would not be included. Don't think this is common practice tho.
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Replying to @lorraine_hope @o_guest
Looking back, my comment looks more sarky than I meant it to be. Sorry! I know publication counting is inevitable, even if it does lead to perverse incentives. Shouldn't we celebrate and promote our conference proceedings and preprints though? [...]
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Replying to @TraversEoin @o_guest
Yes of course! By listing them under appropriate headings so that they're not being passed off as something they're not - that's the bit that's irritating - and reflects badly on the CV. The actual activities are great!
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...and would be taken in to account - esp. for ECRs as it means they're out and about disseminating their research at international conferences.
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Replying to @lorraine_hope @o_guest
Very fair points. But should we also put Frontiers and other pay-to-publish journals in a different column? And Nature/Science? (Obviously, I'm just ranting here. I'm not asking your hiring committee to fix the problems endemic in our profession!)
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Replying to @TraversEoin @o_guest
Erm - nope - why would you? It's not necessarily vanity publishing if it's been through a peer-review process (which seems to be what is implied in your comment). Vanity publishing...another issue entirely. [by the way, Mayo woman here! :-) ]
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Replying to @lorraine_hope @o_guest
Small world! I'm heading home for family time in Donegal next week, so might be squeezing in a visit to the Westport Traverses!
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Best end to thread! 

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