Harsh but fair, I'm not gonna budge on this issue. If you can resubmit it anywhere else it's not a real paper.
I can't tell if this is in disagreement with my quoted tweet or not (another reason to dislike quote tweeting in many cases) but FWIW I don't think anybody in this thread is part of the problem I was referring to.
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Not disagreeing with you Olivia; just adding to considerations expressed by Danielle. Got me thinking about how I see this myself.>>
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Possibly my experiences with both seeing people playing the system getting rewarded & others doing amazing and important work not being credited (because they do not meet absurd simplistic one-dimensial metrics) have shaped my perspective.
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I'm not sure my experiences disagree with yours. I do worry when phd students look at a person only slightly ahead (like a final year phd student) with many cogsci proceedings and think this is 10 "journal articles" and get stressed and think they are failing at writing stuff.
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Ah gotcha! I indeed did not understand that you were concerned by this.
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Oh, dear. Sorry!
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Reread your post now. Guess I misread it, because the quote-tweet (or: the ‘fooling yourselves’) seemed to change focus. IMHO so much wrong atm with the academic system that I do not even know where to start in helping aleviate imposter syndrome.
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Twitter is so hard sometimes. I would love it if proceedings in our field could be treated like journal articles but the way some people use them seems damaging, or at least confusing, to others.
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At the end of the day if one call the CV section "publications" instead of "journal articles" it's tiny but I think it can help to make younglings less confused... At least it's more descriptive.
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If people have ideas as to better address the issue I raised I'd love to hear them. If maybe it's better to just let phd students figure it out for themselves (not sure this always helps) I'm open to discussing that idea too. But I would like to help them with impostor syndrome.
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), so I’m surprised to see this high number (have not been able to attend lately). In any event, I understand those visceral reactions—same.