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    1. SaucedbySally‏ @SaucedbySally 26 May 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @castpixel and

      I had the group take the ‘women only’ language out, rework to reflect a gender spectrum + ally narrative, included trans in our more descriptive text, and ensured that we avoided ‘she’ pronouns throughout and instead went with ‘their’ - too much to type in a single tweet

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    3. castpixel‏ @castpixel 26 May 2018
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      Replying to @laurelai_bailey @SaucedbySally and

      How are you preventing trans fems from leaving frustrated?

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    4. SaucedbySally‏ @SaucedbySally 26 May 2018
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      Replying to @castpixel @laurelai_bailey and

      How are helping someone ally with you? This is Twitter. I gave a quick tweet encompassing SOME of what I did. The group jumped. I’m seriously out. I’ll still advocate in the groups I deal with IRL but wow. This was less than enjoyable from someone who is here with love & support.

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    5. castpixel‏ @castpixel 26 May 2018
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      Replying to @SaucedbySally @laurelai_bailey and

      Why would we need to help someone ally with us? Being a trans ally is either important or not. Help is irrelevant. I do get I pounced on you, but if you pounced on a man and he said "how are you helping men ally with you?", would that fly?

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    6. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 27 May 2018
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      Replying to @castpixel @SaucedbySally and

      It reads to me that you want to hear you are being a great ally instead of wanting to genuinly be a better ally, and learn from feedback. It’s possible to listen to (understandably) critical questions without feeling attacked. I think @castpixel’s analogy is on point.

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    7. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 27 May 2018
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @castpixel and

      Iris van Rooij Retweeted Iris van Rooij

      I’m reminded of a thread I posted on how men can be better allies for women (in science). This point 12 (in a list of 22 and more that I was not yet able to thread) seems relevant here too: https://twitter.com/irisvanrooij/status/997217617143369728?s=21 … And, as referenced there, 11 and 13 may apply too.

      Iris van Rooij added,

      Iris van Rooij @IrisVanRooij
      12. Be genuine/sincere about being an ally. Don’t pretend being an ally for self-serving (e.g., status increasing) purposes, and then cop out when things become uncomfortable (e.g. because of point 11 or 13) https://twitter.com/aath0/status/997173360806182912?s=21 …
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    8. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 27 May 2018
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @castpixel and

      I’m not attacking. I merely hope to give useful information to hopefully support seeing the dynamic of this conversation (and in a parallel thread) in a different light.

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    9. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 27 May 2018
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @castpixel and

      And @castpixel is absolutely right: thinking that trans ppl should be nice and try to help you to be a better ally (or otherwise you are ‘out’) is the wrong way around. That is definitely one way not to be a better ally.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    10. SaucedbySally‏ @SaucedbySally 27 May 2018
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @castpixel and

      I think ‘people’ should be nice to other people if they want them to try and be their friends. That’s generally how a nice thing happens out of an interaction, yes.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 27 May 2018
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      Replying to @SaucedbySally @IrisVanRooij and

      No, We Won’t Calm Down – Tone Policing Is Just Another Way to Protect Privilege https://everydayfeminism.com/2015/12/tone-policing-and-privilege/ … via @evrydayfeminism

      3:53 AM - 27 May 2018
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        2. SaucedbySally‏ @SaucedbySally 27 May 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

          You won. You drove me away. You have your result.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 27 May 2018
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          Replying to @SaucedbySally @IrisVanRooij and

          Why did you follow me then?

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        4. SaucedbySally‏ @SaucedbySally 27 May 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

          I was trying to expand my view. Will unfollow you now given that.

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 27 May 2018
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          Replying to @SaucedbySally @IrisVanRooij and

          Given what? That I asked why you did? You're such a roller-coaster.

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        6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 27 May 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @SaucedbySally and

          This is some of the purest drama I've seen in a twitter thread in months if not years.

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