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    1. Georg Greve‏ @ggreve Aug 22

      1/ The definition of "Sale" includes "consulting/ support services related to the Software". Can Copyright really forbid people to use their knowledge? Could this potentially mean your staff is no longer allowed to maintain your own systems running this solution?

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    2. Georg Greve‏ @ggreve Aug 22

      2/ "a product or service whose value derives, entirely or substantially, from the functionality of the Software." What is "substantially"? Where is that line drawn? The only way to be safe seems to be if the software is basically useless to you. But then why use it?

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    3. Georg Greve‏ @ggreve Aug 23

      3/ Why would anyone want to contribute to a project under such a license? Your contribution may already be a violation under (1) if you were doing this as part of a professional gig.

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    4. Georg Greve‏ @ggreve Aug 23

      4/ And if CLAs are used as part of the contribution process, you may find yourself losing the right to work on or provide support for the code you wrote.

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    5. Georg Greve‏ @ggreve Aug 23

      5/ Calling this Apache licensed with an additional clause seems to be purposefully misleading people to believe software under such a license could be Open Source when this is really a new, proprietary license. Why abuse @TheASF this way?

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    6. Georg Greve‏ @ggreve Aug 23

      Overall it seems purposefully vague & misleading, probably overreaching and terribly one-sided to establish Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt for any professional use of software licensed under it while making it terribly easy to "accidentally" incorporate such components.

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    7. Georg Greve‏ @ggreve Aug 23

      TL;DR: It reminds me a whole lot of the principles behind the toxic effect of software patents. It seems a license to threaten legal action more than it seems a license that establishes clarity and arms-lengths relationships.

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    8. Georg Greve‏ @ggreve Aug 23

      It seems an underhanded attempt to appropriate the commons. Calling it "Commons Clause" appears Orwellian - and given the background of @getfossa it seems unlikely all of the above is owed to lack of competency or familiarity with the issues and the problems this causes.

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    9. Georg Greve‏ @ggreve Aug 23

      So: Anyone planning to do a page explaining why this is a horrible idea? cc/ @conservancy @armijnhemel @carlopiana @mjg59 @OpenSourceOrg @vmbrasseur @zacchiro @webmink @jwildeboer

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    10. Matthew Garrett‏ @mjg59 Aug 23
      Replying to @ggreve @conservancy and

      I think it's a good time to have a conversation about how to produce commercially viable free software

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      karen sandler‏Verified account @o0karen0o Aug 28
      Replying to @mjg59 @ggreve and

      I hope we will have some conversations like this at #CopyleftConf in February. The CFP will be opening soon.

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