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    The New York Times‏Verified account @nytimes May 18

    The only variable that can explain the high rate of mass shootings in America is its astronomical number of guns https://nyti.ms/2It823x  (From November 2017)

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      2. Henry‏ @putergeekguy May 18
        Replying to @nytimes

        What needs to be looked at is how are we raising our children! Guns are not bad, it's how they are sometimes being used

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      3. Matthew Lockhart‏ @Mattlockhart May 18
        Replying to @putergeekguy @nytimes

        Yep. Parents don't want to take responsibility for raising their children wrong so they blame guns and the NRA instead of looking in the mirror. Kids don't want to imagine that their generation was raised wrong so they blame guns and the NRA instead of looking in the mirror.

        4 replies 1 retweet 6 likes
      4. |)@ |\|‏ @spookymold May 18
        Replying to @Mattlockhart @putergeekguy @nytimes

        You can’t just say people need to raise their children better because there’s no real way of implementing that. Reducing how many guns there are in circulation is a real solution.

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      2. Blueskies123‏ @wallywilliams May 18
        Replying to @nytimes

        No. It is the mentally ill and violent have easy access

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      3. High Philosophy‏ @HighPhilosophy1 May 18
        Replying to @wallywilliams @nytimes

        Right. So we should make it harder for them to gain access to guns. I.e. #GunControl thanks for the support

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      2. Sun Dancer‏ @SonnenTanzer May 18
        Replying to @nytimes

        By making a deceptive chart based on aggregate numbers (rather than per capita numbers - guns/killings per capita) @NYTimes has managed to be deceptive, given US is world's 3d most populous countries. How typical. Always Fake News/Propaganda, All The Time.(tm)

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      3. Sun Dancer‏ @SonnenTanzer May 18
        Replying to @SonnenTanzer @nytimes

        US also has more motor vehicle deaths than any other country. Does this mean US has worst drivers or unsafest cars? No, it means US is a populous country w/ a large number of cars. Even if average US driver is as safe as average Swiss driver, US will have vastly more accidents.

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      4. Sun Dancer‏ @SonnenTanzer May 18
        Replying to @SonnenTanzer @nytimes

        This is why, when "journalists" (a foreign concept to @NYTimes) report "news" (ditto) they use comparable data. For example, for airlines, deaths per passenger mile, not deaths per airline. Or for vehicles, deaths per mile traveled, not deaths per manufacturer or country.

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      5. Sun Dancer‏ @SonnenTanzer May 18
        Replying to @SonnenTanzer @nytimes

        With guns, the relevant question is: how many murders (sans suicides, which is most gun deaths & different issue) by guns per capita versus what % of people own guns (rather than guns per capita since some people own many guns). Try that graph and results will actually be useful

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      2. Powerful Mel Ankoly  🦈‏ @Mel_Ankoly May 18
        Replying to @nytimes

        "Whether a population plays more or fewer video games also appears to have no impact. Americans are no more likely to play video games than people in any other developed country." How about a study on the *types* of video games - sales in the U.S. are dominated by FPS's.

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      3. High Philosophy‏ @HighPhilosophy1 May 18
        Replying to @Mel_Ankoly @nytimes

        But video games...don't lead to violence...you know that.........right?

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      4. Powerful Mel Ankoly  🦈‏ @Mel_Ankoly May 18
        Replying to @HighPhilosophy1 @nytimes

        I'm not implying cause and effect...I'm implying that the U.S. love of shooting games indicates that we have a cultural obsession with guns, which leads to leads to gun shootings.

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      5. High Philosophy‏ @HighPhilosophy1 May 18
        Replying to @Mel_Ankoly @nytimes

        I agree with the cultural obsession, but I'm not sold that it necessarily leads to shootings. Perhaps; I could be swayed by a convincing argument

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      6. Powerful Mel Ankoly  🦈‏ @Mel_Ankoly May 18
        Replying to @HighPhilosophy1 @nytimes

        Me either...and I wouldn't support banning them if they did encourage shootings. I'd support discouraging kids from playing them (even more than I do now), but the genie is out of the bottle since they can be downloaded anywhere.

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      1. Rick Sanchez‏ @Mortysuncle May 18
        Replying to @nytimes

        That’s not how statistics works

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      2. Gregg‏ @greggjw24 May 18
        Replying to @nytimes

        What about bullying and video games? I heard that bullying and video games don't exist outside of the United States.

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      1. Sam Laganini‏ @samlaganini May 18
        Replying to @nytimes

        You can replace the number of guns on that graph with any other characteristically American thing and make the same claim. What is more revealing is that school shootings seem to happen exclusively in the US pointing to a larger cultural problem.

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