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    The New York Times‏Verified account @nytimes Apr 26

    New rules for elite female track athletes with high testosterone levels: Lower your levels with medicine or compete against men in some raceshttps://nyti.ms/2HrYoxE 

    5:00 AM - 26 Apr 2018
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      2. Laurel Walzak‏ @laurelwalzak Apr 26
        Replying to @nytimes

        Words that come to mind #inequity #WADA #DopingToMeetNewRules? #Sigh #Explain? #DoubleStandard #INeedMoreInformationAsIAmNotUnderstandingThis @rachelvmckinnon Dr.McKinnon can you please weigh in, this can’t be?

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      3. Dr. Rachel McKinnon‏ @rachelvmckinnon Apr 26
        Replying to @laurelwalzak @nytimes

        .Yeah. I knew this was coming for awhile. It's counter to actual evidence; instead, it depends on wishful thinking and misleading experts with what appears to be an agenda. There is NO relationship between endog T and performance in men; barely any in women. It's discrimination.

        2 replies 1 retweet 1 like
      4. Dr. Rachel McKinnon‏ @rachelvmckinnon Apr 26
        Replying to @rachelvmckinnon @laurelwalzak @nytimes

        .The dumbest part is that of the 800 men tested at the 2011 IAAF world track+field championships, 100 men (1/8th) were in the 'female range' of endogenous T...so they were UNDER 5nmol/L. Endogenous T does NOT translate into increased performance (but EXogenous does! = doping).

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      5. Dan Donner, PhD‏ @DrDanDonner Apr 26
        Replying to @rachelvmckinnon @laurelwalzak @nytimes

        You're absolutely right, testosterone science is far more complex than "more is more". Significant endogenous regulation by enzymes and androgen- (e.g. testosterone-) receptor densities, which tends to balance things out after puberty, stand between endog testosterone & effect.

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      6. Dr. Rachel McKinnon‏ @rachelvmckinnon Apr 27
        Replying to @DrDanDonner @laurelwalzak @nytimes

        .Common sense is a TERRIBLE guide both to human rights *and* science.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      7. Laurel Walzak‏ @laurelwalzak Apr 27
        Replying to @rachelvmckinnon @DrDanDonner @nytimes

        Yes it is more complex than that. @nytimes if@you have not already I strongly suggest you have Dr Rachel McKinnon weigh in on this topic. Learning more from her by the tweet and YouTube channel.

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      1. Swingin_Dick‏ @Lifeson90 Apr 26
        Replying to @nytimes

        Those bangin on about #CasterSemenya re testosterone levels should bear in mind her best time in her event still 10 seconds behind the WR, holder of which had no testosterone issues

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      2. Dude‏ @kobe_nna Apr 26
        Replying to @nytimes

        Foolishness .....let them force males with lower testosterone to race against women then ....

        2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
      3. Dan Donner, PhD‏ @DrDanDonner Apr 26
        Replying to @kobe_nna @nytimes

        Agreed. It's literally the same logic.

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      2. Dan Donner, PhD‏ @DrDanDonner Apr 26
        Replying to @nytimes

        You can't make a level playing field no matter how many variables you correct for...no one wants to see that anyway, they all train as hard as each other, we want to see genetic freaks race other genetic freaks #literallywhatsportis #thinkaboutit

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      3. Dr. Rachel McKinnon‏ @rachelvmckinnon Apr 26
        Replying to @DrDanDonner @nytimes

        LITERALLY. The entire purpose of training, nutrition, equipment, coaching, rest, etc is to gain a competitive edge on others. 'Level playing field' is an absurd notion of 'fairness'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EImjVGxAlv4 …

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      4. Dan Donner, PhD‏ @DrDanDonner Apr 26
        Replying to @rachelvmckinnon @nytimes

        I wonder if we could remove an inch or two from the shins of the tallest runners until someone else, with a different advantage, can win. Fairness is not the redistribution of superioirity through penalising and daemonising those born into an advantage. Not in sport anyway.

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      2. Wallie Massie‏ @MassieWad Apr 26
        Replying to @nytimes

        This is ridiculous, success in athletics is achieved because those who succeed have superior physical traits to those who don’t (training being equal). How is naturally occurring testosterone any different than any other trait that makes elite athletes elite?

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      1. Kate Tagseth  🇨🇦‏ @ktagseth Apr 26
        Replying to @nytimes

        Start with taking trans identifying men out of women's sports for the obvious reason: they're men. As for women with naturally higher testosterone levels, as long as they're XX women, it's all good.

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      1. Dr T Stanzo (MBchb)‏ @realmedicaldoc Apr 26
        Replying to @nytimes

        so say if being tall was an advantage, then the athlete will have to be shortened ?

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      1. Gerhard van Tonder‏ @Gerhard_Coney Apr 26
        Replying to @nytimes

        Reversed mandatory doping. Female athletes will be forced to lower their testosterone by doping with mandatory drugs which would otherwise be illegal. The #IAAF is the epitome of hypocrisy.

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      1.  🌈Arkady  💥 🌷‏ @Arkady2009 Apr 26
        Replying to @nytimes

        How the hell is this even fair for athletes like Caster Semenya? She's essentially being punished for something she has no control over!

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      1. Joseph Mokobake‏ @Jozee25 Apr 26
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        We should have told Steven Hawking to lower his intelligence level of go and study with aliens.

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