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    The New York Times‏Verified account @nytimes Apr 3

    How $1 flows from Spotify to recording artists https://nyti.ms/2GJPhXU pic.twitter.com/QaiHQbnnEY

    2:59 AM - 3 Apr 2018
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      2. Nathaniel Wyvern‏ @NathanielWyvern Apr 3
        Replying to @nytimes

        And this is why I don't want a label... for every 250 streams ($1) I get 85% ($0.85) with @soundrop . I could pay rent if I somehow had 187.5K monthly streams XD https://open.spotify.com/artist/0e2OzXdJJk5aoE5x5kDmjJ?si=YfjQhJ4CSze-o5uODuvstg … 99.98% more to go... Also says something when I could make the same from 750 sales @Spotify

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Florian Haack‏ @FHaackOfficial Apr 3
        Replying to @NathanielWyvern @nytimes and

        At least, it's far easier to get 187.5k streams a month than 750 sales. ;-)

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. Nathaniel Wyvern‏ @NathanielWyvern Apr 3
        Replying to @FHaackOfficial @nytimes and

        you say that, but both seem pretty crazy right now XD my lifetime total across all platforms is around 15k XD and no sales

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Florian Haack‏ @FHaackOfficial Apr 3
        Replying to @NathanielWyvern @nytimes and

        I'm close to 100k streams a month, and believe me, it's WAY easier than getting those sales numbers. ;-)

        2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      6. Soundrop‏ @soundrop Apr 3
        Replying to @FHaackOfficial @NathanielWyvern and

        Most of the artists I see getting numbers in that range have built up a pretty significant catalog of tracks. It's pretty rare that anyone (in our world, anyway) is getting that many streams on just a few songs.

        2 replies 1 retweet 2 likes
      7. Florian Haack‏ @FHaackOfficial Apr 3
        Replying to @soundrop @NathanielWyvern and

        Yeah, I have a ton of releases and I'm not saying it's "effortless". It's about dedication to release enough. Ratio stream to sale is steep, though. Way harder to convince anyone to buy a song than to stream it. But I'm not complaining about Spotify's revenue, that's my point.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      8. Nathaniel Wyvern‏ @NathanielWyvern Apr 3
        Replying to @FHaackOfficial @soundrop and

        I recently purged most of my content since I've been improving (obvs step one is good music, so making sure of that XD)

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      9. Florian Haack‏ @FHaackOfficial Apr 3
        Replying to @NathanielWyvern @soundrop and

        Good music, frequent releases, and then you get that "M". Good luck! ;-)pic.twitter.com/Il0lddtTB5

        2 replies 2 retweets 3 likes
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      1. Warren Clark‏ @wclark001 Apr 3
        Replying to @nytimes

        So? We get cheaper music. If I really like it, I will see the person live. If the Album includes artwork, I will buy it. If they suck and have no talent, why should they make millions making cheap music?

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      1. Fred Cunningham‏ @fac_fred Apr 3
        Replying to @nytimes

        I think “flows” is the wrong word. “Trickles” would be more apropos.

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      2. Joel Birch‏Verified account @JoelDTD Apr 3
        Replying to @nytimes

        Split that five ways...

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      3. Zachary‏ @zacharybaker95 Apr 3
        Replying to @JoelDTD @nytimes

        The reason why I buy merch, cd’s and tickets to shows - I love Spotify but never realised it’s diluted that much by the time it reaches the artist

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      1. garbage tweetman‏ @Curban20 Apr 3
        Replying to @nytimes

        Spotify keeps getting blamed for making money, yet the record label takes 2x as much.

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      1. MegatronPrime‏ @OlebenKenobi Apr 3
        Replying to @nytimes

        Sure, but spotify is glbal and I'd rather have 1000 18cents cobtributions than 12 40cents ones

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      1. Zach Sowell‏ @zachsowell Apr 3
        Replying to @nytimes

        Spotify found a way to monetize people who would have otherwise stolen the music, and then everybody else realized that it was the option that made the most sense. As soon as they think that the service is worth more than $9.99 I they'll lose a lot of subscribers.

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      1. Joel Birch‏Verified account @JoelDTD Apr 3
        Replying to @nytimes

        So depressing

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      2. James Gomer‏ @itsgomer Apr 3
        Replying to @nytimes @lilyallen

        @lilyallen Just to point out that in general 1 stream = about 0.006 c, so about 17k streams needed to generate that $

        3 replies 4 retweets 10 likes
      3. Vic EWare‏ @vix_1976 Apr 3
        Replying to @itsgomer @nytimes @lilyallen

        Interesting. By my calcs that means an artist needs almost 100,000 streams to make $1 in royalties?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. James Gomer‏ @itsgomer Apr 3
        Replying to @vix_1976 @nytimes @lilyallen

        Absolutely - however I may have undersold spotify - this is based on current fx rates and the rule of thumb 0.004p (gbp) used before...

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. James Gomer‏ @itsgomer Apr 3
        Replying to @itsgomer @vix_1976 and

        ..really lots of factors come in to play - this is basic for ad revenue listeners, the subscription model (where the DSP takes 40%...

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. James Gomer‏ @itsgomer Apr 3
        Replying to @itsgomer @vix_1976 and

        ...leaving the 60% to be shared prorata between) the artists the subscbr has listened too, means that this PPD is higher...

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      7. James Gomer‏ @itsgomer Apr 3
        Replying to @itsgomer @vix_1976 and

        Also the country the song is streamed from makes a difference - advertising is more valuable in high GDPPC countries meaning the revenue...

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      8. James Gomer‏ @itsgomer Apr 3
        Replying to @itsgomer @vix_1976 and

        Is higher for a stream from UK, US, Germany etc... I’ll also mount a case for the defence for spotify etc here...

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      9. James Gomer‏ @itsgomer Apr 3
        Replying to @itsgomer @vix_1976 and

        1. Anti piracy - people are used to consuming music for free - rightly or wrongly the internet made it so easy to pirate music that...

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