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    The New York Times‏Verified account @nytimes Mar 17

    "The Irish were slaves, too," the memes often say. But they're not true. From 2017:http://nyti.ms/2FGNPWG 

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      2. When they go low, we go vote.‏ @DrReynolds1473 Mar 17
        Replying to @nytimes

        Indentured servants in the American colonies were treated exactly like slaves in the 1600s and well into the 1700s (but that's not the timeframe under discussion here). Indentureds were treated worse than most know, while slaves were actually treated better. (In the early yrs)

        16 replies 1 retweet 17 likes
      3. Gabriel Unger‏ @GabrielUnger Mar 17
        Replying to @DrReynolds1473 @nytimes

        Evidence? Also, if you’d read the article, you would have seen that indentured servants (unlike slaves) 1) were legally considered human 2) didn’t pass on their status to their children 3) had a fixed amount of time for their status. Sounds pretty good.

        8 replies 5 retweets 117 likes
      4. Anonymous‏ @Anon_decoder Mar 17
        Replying to @GabrielUnger @DrReynolds1473 @nytimes

        Most blacks were also treated as indenture servants But as you say "Sounds pretty good"pic.twitter.com/1ySPbpJRyU

        4 replies 3 retweets 7 likes
      5. Name Cannot Be Blank-Man‏ @AQWarfield Mar 17
        Replying to @Anon_decoder @GabrielUnger and

        The first 16 - 19...dude i waa going to look for the number but you posted it yourself. Thats not even 1% of slaves.

        2 replies 0 retweets 23 likes
      6. Anonymous‏ @Anon_decoder Mar 17
        Replying to @AQWarfield @GabrielUnger and

        You need to go back to school & take English comprehension There was a period after that statement. All baptized blks were not considered slaves They were servants

        3 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      7. When they go low, we go vote.‏ @DrReynolds1473 Mar 17
        Replying to @Anon_decoder @AQWarfield and

        Your statement is only correct for a short period of time and in one place. Virginia law 1670-1691 technically gave baptized Christians their freedom (though how many black slaves actually got it is up for grabs).

        2 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
      8. When they go low, we go vote.‏ @DrReynolds1473 Mar 17
        Replying to @DrReynolds1473 @Anon_decoder and

        Most Irish came to America in the 1800s. Harsh slave laws were already well established by then, so they would not have been legal slaves although they were viewed as racially to Black slaves during that time.

        4 replies 1 retweet 6 likes
      9. Anonymous‏ @Anon_decoder Mar 17
        Replying to @DrReynolds1473 @AQWarfield and

        Most Irish were killed or enslaved in the 1600spic.twitter.com/M74XK5jFvx

        1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
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      2. Ethan Betterton‏ @ethanbetterton Mar 17
        Replying to @nytimes

        Primarily because you define slavery in such a way that they don't qualify, but to each his own.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. Andrés Pertierra‏ @ASPertierra Mar 17
        Replying to @ethanbetterton @nytimes

        Well, they’re defining indentured servitude as different from slavery because they’re two distinct categories. Legally speaking they aren’t the same thing. The online “Irish slavery” memes intentionally conflate the two.

        1 reply 2 retweets 9 likes
      4. Andrés Pertierra‏ @ASPertierra Mar 17
        Replying to @ASPertierra @ethanbetterton @nytimes

        This conflation is (largely) done with the political purpose of undermining what enslaved black people went through in order to say “my ancestors went through that too and you don’t see us complaining!” It’s not literally the same thing.

        3 replies 5 retweets 17 likes
      5. Dain Bramaged‏ @DanJetsfan087 Mar 17
        Replying to @ASPertierra @ethanbetterton @nytimes

        Just because white europeans were no included in the definition doesn't mean it didn't happen.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Andrés Pertierra‏ @ASPertierra Mar 17
        Replying to @DanJetsfan087 @ethanbetterton @nytimes

        Nobody is saying indentured servitude didn’t happen or was actually a good thing Slavery is a specific legal term with a specific legal definition that’s different from the way it is casually used There are multiple kinds of unfree labor that aren’t slavery (e.g. serfdom)

        0 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
      7. End of conversation
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      2. Anonymous‏ @Anon_decoder Mar 17
        Replying to @nytimes

        #FakeNews In 10 years 900k Irish killed, enslaved or died of famine In contrast only 380k black slaves brought to Americapic.twitter.com/TLsYHrJScl

        1 reply 3 retweets 6 likes
      3. Souris Grise‏ @PattesSouris Mar 17
        Replying to @Anon_decoder @nytimes

        How many indentured servants were "bred" to produce more indentured servants? Did indentured servitude create an industry, profitable in itself, for manufacturing bodies?

        1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
      4. Scheiman Marcus‏ @Phillycat Mar 17
        Replying to @PattesSouris @Anon_decoder @nytimes

        Shhhh, he wants to think he's right

        0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      5. End of conversation
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      2. Jennifer Hoffman‏ @Jenniferhoffman Mar 17
        Replying to @nytimes

        It's a slow news day and you don't dare tell the truth so you have to make up another story.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. Ghetto Chirz‏ @GhettoChirz Mar 17
        Replying to @Jenniferhoffman @nytimes

        That’s not made up though. There’s this thing called the library and this other thing called google and you can literally learn about this stuff today.pic.twitter.com/54J7HMH6tB

        2 replies 1 retweet 34 likes
      4. the Big cheese‏ @pissychrissyO_O Mar 17
        Replying to @GhettoChirz @Jenniferhoffman @nytimes

        Jennifer doesn't want her tired, false talking points taken away

        0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      5. End of conversation
      1. Christopher Fagan, AIA‏ @cfaganstudio Mar 17
        Replying to @nytimes

        Thanks for setting the record straight, I was confused about this too. It comes from a toxic wish for victimhood, and belittles how damaging real slavery was.

        0 replies 1 retweet 29 likes
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