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    The New York Times‏Verified account @nytimes Jan 18

    "We know the difference between a rapist, a workplace harasser and an Aziz Ansari," Samantha Bee said. "That doesn't mean we have to be happy about any of them."http://nyti.ms/2EUbMVk 

    5:30 AM - 18 Jan 2018
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    • Krish UNTAMED STREET Barbaralicious Ian Ord ✈ Putri Trixie Fontaine NAKED and sometimes SEXUAL Amphex Dee k. tòxico™ 🖤💙
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      2. Jon Wayne McQuatchi‏ @JWMcQuatchi Jan 18
        Replying to @nytimes

        True. I think the argument here is that including the Aziz argument dilutes the #metoo movement and gives ammo to critics who say it is turning into a witch hunt. In point of fact they both behaved badly. Aziz was clearly the bigger ass but not the only one.

        2 replies 0 retweets 15 likes
      3. Stephanie‏ @_stephanieESQ Jan 18
        Replying to @JWMcQuatchi @nytimes

        I don’t think it dilutes the #metoo movement at all. The issue at the heart of #metoo is rape culture, and rape culture is responsible for the inability of men to determine what consent actually is. Mixed signals aren’t consent. That’s important to discuss too.

        7 replies 1 retweet 16 likes
      4. Jon Wayne McQuatchi‏ @JWMcQuatchi Jan 18
        Replying to @_stephanieESQ @nytimes

        Conflating rape with assault with a bad date does dilute the argument. I agree that mixed signals are the problem in this case. Better communication leads to better sex after all. There is an onus on everyone in a sexual situation to clarify their intent. Not just the guy.

        1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
      5. Stephanie‏ @_stephanieESQ Jan 18
        Replying to @JWMcQuatchi @nytimes

        But literally no one is conflating those issues. And I’m sorry but a “bad date” is one where you don’t get along, not one where your date shoves his fingers down your throat and tries to wear you down so your no becomes a yes. All of this falls under the #metoo umbrella.

        3 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      6. Stephanie‏ @_stephanieESQ Jan 18
        Replying to @_stephanieESQ @JWMcQuatchi @nytimes

        Azis’s date states several times that she wasn’t comfortable with what was happening. Again, mixed signals aren’t consent. Pushing the issue to get your date to change their mind isn’t consent. When it comes to sex, it’s “hell yes!” or it’s no.

        3 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      7. Stephanie‏ @_stephanieESQ Jan 18
        Replying to @_stephanieESQ @JWMcQuatchi @nytimes

        I think a lot of men are being defensive about Azis because they see a lot of his behavior in themselves and they want to justify it. If your date isn’t ENTHUSIASTICALLY reciprocating your sexual advances, stop trying to have sex with them. Pretty easy concept.

        1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
      8. Jon Wayne McQuatchi‏ @JWMcQuatchi Jan 18
        Replying to @_stephanieESQ @nytimes

        I agree. I also think a lot of women are being overly offended on behalf of A's date b/c they see a lot of her behaviors in themselves. Weird, right?

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      9. Stephanie‏ @_stephanieESQ Jan 18
        Replying to @JWMcQuatchi @nytimes

        Not weird at all. Her behavior IS very common because that situation is very scary and confusing. Men should stop putting women in that situation. Men are literally CAUSING these situations but you want women to be the ones to change their behavior.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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      2. Pipe‏ @pipehugger Jan 18
        Replying to @nytimes

        Samantha Bee - Siren queen of the confused and patron saint of short attention spans.

        1 reply 1 retweet 44 likes
      3. Kate Pallos‏ @KatePallos Jan 18
        Replying to @pipehugger @nytimes

        And you are?

        2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
      4. Pipe‏ @pipehugger Jan 18
        Replying to @KatePallos @nytimes

        That is not really how we introduce ourselves, is it?

        0 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
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      2. ℕ𝕠𝕣𝕚𝕖  🐝‏ @AFoxSpirit Jan 18
        Replying to @nytimes

        Problem. Babe capitalized on the story after Aziz won his Golden Globe. Why did 'Grace' save her texts? She waited for the right time to make money. It would be of no value prior. This is a smear campaign funded by Rupert Murdoch in an attempt to backlash this #MeToo movement

        6 replies 0 retweets 37 likes
      3.  ❄D.L.G. ❄ #FBR  ☮️ 💞 🙂‏ @sine_nomine88 Jan 18
        Replying to @AFoxSpirit @nytimes

        I agree with you,I was waiting on st least one woman to capitalize on the #MeToo movement tarnishing not only the movement but the unjustly accused as well,there are always letches looking to grab ahold of what's currently in style/popular.

        0 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
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      2. Lawrence Lefsky‏ @LawrenceLefsky Jan 18
        Replying to @nytimes

        So, wait....all women have the right to their opinion, to be heard, and to share information EXCEPT @TVAshleigh Banfield?

        1 reply 2 retweets 15 likes
      3. SloTriGuy‏ @slotriguy Jan 20
        Replying to @LawrenceLefsky @nytimes @TVAshleigh

        True hypocrites. The extreme fems claim they want open honest dialog but then turn around and shout down Banfield, Atwood, Deneuve, etc when they don’t agree with them. #MeToo

        0 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
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      2. TheDailyMeow‏ @TheDailyMeoww Jan 18
        Replying to @nytimes

        Let’s all be adults here. She went back to his apartment on the FIRST date and got NAKED with him. Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

        1 reply 0 retweets 23 likes
      3. Victoria Helen Stone / Dahl‏Verified account @VictoriaDahl Jan 18
        Replying to @TheDailyMeoww @nytimes

        He did the same. So he can take personal responsibility for what's happening to him. Funny, it works both ways.

        1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
      4. BC Ari‏ @BCAri2016 Jan 18
        Replying to @VictoriaDahl @TheDailyMeoww @nytimes

        It clearly doesn’t work both ways. What’s her name? Exactly

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
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      2. Elizabeth A‏ @ElizzysPoppy Jan 18
        Replying to @nytimes

        Ok...I wouldn't normally defend someone who was aggressive with a woman, BUT...We as women MUST speak out when something makes us feel uncomfortable. His date should have spoken out THAT night, not in a text the next day. We need to empower women to make their voices heard.

        3 replies 0 retweets 16 likes
      3. Vince‏ @vinstl Jan 18
        Replying to @ElizzysPoppy @nytimes

        Or even like not finish dinner, or go out for drinks, and then willingly go to private residence, and not say anything, and not leave like yeah would’ve been wild but a tweet the next AM trying to ruin a reputation is better these days

        0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
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