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    The New York Times‏Verified account @nytimes Jan 6

    How Humira is priced internationally is telling. It costs $2,669 in the U.S., $822 in Switzerland and $552 in South Africa.http://nyti.ms/2ABJyfD 

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      2. Independent72‏ @INDEPENDENT541 Jan 6
        Replying to @nytimes

        It's more expensive in the U.S. because all the other countries have a single payer system and they negotiate the price with the makers. But since our government is paid off by drug makers, we don't have single payer health care that would give us the power to negotiate prices.

        4 replies 15 retweets 66 likes
      3. Walter Katz‏ @katz_oversight Jan 6
        Replying to @INDEPENDENT541 @nytimes

        Switzerland is not single payer. In fact, voters rejected a proposal for it in 2014. Their system looks a lot like the ACA.

        2 replies 1 retweet 5 likes
      4. Independent72‏ @INDEPENDENT541 Jan 7
        Replying to @katz_oversight @nytimes

        Ok, but do they get to negotiate their drug prices? That's what I'm getting at. We can't, so we are the last bone for the drug dogs to chew on. We cover the cost of all the counties that do.

        1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes
      5. Walter Katz‏ @katz_oversight Jan 7
        Replying to @INDEPENDENT541 @nytimes

        Not negotiation. Switzerland sets a price cap based on comps to prices elsewhere, also considers effectiveness. Here is background from NYT and update from Swissinfo: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/09/opinion/the-solution-to-drug-prices.html …https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/health-check_government-to-resume-drug-pricing-controls/42277762 …

        2 replies 5 retweets 17 likes
      6. Independent72‏ @INDEPENDENT541 Jan 7
        Replying to @katz_oversight @nytimes

        So you are telling me they have some form of price control. And if we could do the same thing our insurance would probably be a whole lot cheaper. Right?

        3 replies 2 retweets 15 likes
      7. Walter Katz‏ @katz_oversight Jan 7
        Replying to @INDEPENDENT541 @nytimes

        Yes. The Swiss health care system has often been lauded by conservatives because it isn’t single payer. Well, drug price caps are part that system.

        2 replies 3 retweets 28 likes
      8. Patrick Henry  🇺🇸  🌊‏ @Phenry_1984 Jan 9
        Replying to @katz_oversight @INDEPENDENT541 @nytimes

        Per @AliVelshi & @SRuhle, Switzerland has universal care with private insurance. Stephanie pointed out Switzerland population is same as New York City. May not scale up but we should be open to fact based discussions on how to make health care a right. #BlueWave2018 🌊

        0 replies 4 retweets 9 likes
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      2. Sue.Cee Q.  🎶 🇨🇦 ❣ 🇺🇸 🍁 🎸‏ @soo_cee2017 Jan 9
        Replying to @real_Idrealist @nytimes

        For-profit anything involves shareholders. Shareholders run the show and you want to know that they're looking for profit. Health Care has to be Universal and not for profit.

        2 replies 2 retweets 17 likes
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      4. Sue.Cee Q.  🎶 🇨🇦 ❣ 🇺🇸 🍁 🎸‏ @soo_cee2017 Jan 9
        Replying to @real_Idrealist @nytimes

        Big Pharma does not want marijuana to be legalized because it will cut severely into their bottom line.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
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      1. Marcus Grove‏ @marcozzo Jan 7
        Replying to @nytimes

        Medical and health services, including medicines are in most part much cheaper in South Africa (I am South African). The industry is heavily regulated by government, in favour of patients, as it should be.

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      1. Susan Groff‏ @SusanGroff1 Jan 9
        Replying to @nytimes

        My child was unable to walk because of an arthritis flare. Rather than wait for our insurance to approve Humira, I said I would pay for it. One injection was more than my whole paycheck! Heartbreaking Moment when I left empty-handed.

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      1. Dd‏ @jackofallchems Jan 6
        Replying to @nytimes

        Pharmaceutical patents get expropriated (confiscated) if big pharma doesn't sell at "reasonable" prices to state-run medical systems in non-US countries. It's sell-cheap-or-else-we-take. Cut them out of our patent system if they won't pay full price.

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      1. Liss Sullivan #TrumpLostTheHouse‏ @LissSullivan Jan 6
        Replying to @nytimes

        This is old news. Drugs cost more in US because we stupidly let drug companies advertise their drugs, instead of simply informing the medical community. Their US advertising budget dwarfs their R&D budget, and we get to pay the price.

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      2. E A M‏ @EAMNY Jan 9
        Replying to @nytimes

        Y R drug discounts n rebates given to insurance companies and not final consumers? Why does US (bush law) forbid price negotiation?

        1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
      3. Jack Fiefer‏ @jack_fiefer Jan 10
        Replying to @EAMNY @nytimes

        Just like tax scam; payback to campaign contributors of large donations.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      1. Betty Aberlin‏ @bettyaberlin Jan 9
        Replying to @nytimes

        It's not "telling", it's "criminal".

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      1. The answer is simple‏ @BunnyNamedBanjo Jan 9
        Replying to @nytimes

        And the discrepancy will get worse under the trump administration.

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