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    The New York Times‏Verified account @nytimes 25 Dec 2017

    A far-right politician called Berlin's Holocaust Memorial “a monument of shame.” So an art group built a replica outside his bedroom window.http://nyti.ms/2DLRUUG 

    12:15 PM - 25 Dec 2017
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      2. Juhani Huopainen‏ @Huopainen 25 Dec 2017
        Replying to @nytimes @Tasapainoilija

        ...and the NYT does not even entertain the possibility that Höcke's point could be valid. Which it is. Isn't this exactly using a momument of shame to quell criticism?

        4 replies 1 retweet 2 likes
      3. 23° & sonnig | sunny‏ @gujabano 25 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Huopainen @nytimes @Tasapainoilija

        - If you don’t remind people of the shameful parts in history, the lessons get lost for future generations. Those who’ve survived it are passing away now.

        1 reply 1 retweet 34 likes
      4. helmut schmidt‏ @Oneironaut7 25 Dec 2017
        Replying to @gujabano @Huopainen and

        Höckes point isn't never ever valid, because Germans do not consider the monument as one of shame but as one of historical responsibility. It's just the damn Nazis who want desperately to reframe this.

        1 reply 2 retweets 54 likes
      5. Juhani Huopainen‏ @Huopainen 25 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Oneironaut7 @gujabano and

        I'm not a fan of Höcke or AfD (I liked their earlier eurocriticism), and support showing responsibility and acknowledgment of the past w monuments. 1/2

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Tiger  🦁‏ @ArtWendeley 25 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Huopainen @Oneironaut7 and

        AfD when they were Euro sceptics didn’t turn away racists, anti semites and racists. And now they became that. Höcke is a known NPD sympathizer, took part in extreme right wing protests and is leading the proto fascist AfD movement.

        1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes
      7. Juhani Huopainen‏ @Huopainen 25 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ArtWendeley @Oneironaut7 and

        Perhaps: few of the established parties dared to talk about limits before or after the refugee crisis of 2015. AfD was the result. Add in €crisis, and it does sound a bit "last days of the Weimar Republic".

        3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      8. Tiger  🦁‏ @ArtWendeley 25 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Huopainen @Oneironaut7 and

        Don’t underestimate the sheer brutality of a large junk of any society. That’s where Fascism, oppression, hate, terror come from. AfD gave it a voice here in Germany.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      9. Juhani Huopainen‏ @Huopainen 25 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ArtWendeley @Oneironaut7 and

        Policy errors - real or perceived ones - lead to resentment and to a search for alternatives. People can't be "cured", so the only solution is to avoid or minimize the errors.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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      2. #योगी टोपी‏ @mufeed 25 Dec 2017
        Replying to @nytimes

        So denying Holocaust or raising question on the inflated numbers is a crime, but insulting Prophet of Islam is freedom of speech. Hypocrisy at its best.

        9 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
      3. Mark Borgens‏ @mborgens 25 Dec 2017
        Replying to @mufeed @nytimes

        Couldn't access @nytimes story, over limit, but story I read was about an anti-immigration, Holocaust minimizer and a group protested against his views, both free speech. You equate the people who've been threatened/killed for satirizing your prophet?

        5 replies 2 retweets 36 likes
      4. vive la resistance‏ @simmonst003 25 Dec 2017
        Replying to @mborgens @mufeed @nytimes

        Clear your internet history and browser settings and you’ll have access again. I clear mine several times a month (whenever I hit the pay wall).

        1 reply 1 retweet 13 likes
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      2. Animals Are Better Than Most People‏ @heidi_duffield 25 Dec 2017
        Replying to @nytimes

        The idea that there are Germans refusing their past,, is very frightening, and angering for a descendant of just small family that were murdered in Germany,, especially that we now live in USA.. to forget the past, is doomed to do it again....

        3 replies 1 retweet 17 likes
      3. Euqinomist‏ @Euqinomist 26 Dec 2017
        Replying to @heidi_duffield @nytimes

        Correct. The majority of Germans doesn't agree with Höcke and many are very vocal & fight against these tendencies. "Wehret den Anfängen!"

        0 replies 0 retweets 13 likes
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      2. Deidre Carmody‏ @CarmodyDeidre 25 Dec 2017
        Replying to @nytimes

        I applaude the intention BUT maybe he meant "the shame "belonged to Germany for allowing such a HISTORY HORROR to materialize! Just a thought I don't know the mans verbal history

        6 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Astrhein‏ @pppainapple 25 Dec 2017
        Replying to @CarmodyDeidre @nytimes

        If you read the article carefully, you‘ll notice, that he also demanded a „180 degree turn“ regarding the way, Germany is viewing and dealing with its history. He hates the fact, that people are reminded of the shameful things that happened under the nationalist regime.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Deidre Carmody‏ @CarmodyDeidre 25 Dec 2017
        Replying to @pppainapple @Painapple9 @nytimes

        I think ALL countries& Im including Britain& America here have passages in their history that they r not proud of TODAY but " alternative facts" r not the answer Let's hope we canALL learn from History & be able to see dangers on the Political Horizon!

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Magdalena Golomb‏ @Sonoel90 25 Dec 2017
        Replying to @CarmodyDeidre @Painapple9 @nytimes

        In German, it's not as ambivalent as in English ;) he definitely said that it's a shameful monument and should be removed.

        1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
      6. KD Global Nomad‏ @kiwi_kd 25 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Sonoel90 @CarmodyDeidre and

        Exactly people need to stop sugar coating this. German language is pretty direct - his message is clear

        0 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
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      2. John Browne‏ @ridovem 25 Dec 2017
        Replying to @nytimes @Beyerstein

        Could "we" build a slave auction block across the street from the White House? ^..^

        1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
      3. Rene Lange‏ @77rine 26 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ridovem @nytimes @Beyerstein

        Just do it! I‘d donate one hundred bucks...

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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