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    The New York Times‏Verified account @nytimes 6 Dec 2017

    Why France loved Johnny Hallyday, who died at 74http://nyti.ms/2ABhM4x 

    11:52 AM - 6 Dec 2017
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      2. Mumtaz Celtik‏ @MumtazCeltik 6 Dec 2017
        Replying to @nytimes @RoyalSegolene

        Johnny Hallyday was the very mirror of French 'médiocratie' in musical taste. French are very best in many domains, but in music rather limited; except their amazing 'chansons'. This guy was nothing but a grotesque cloner of the Anglo-Sakson beat /rock. >>

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      3. Mumtaz Celtik‏ @MumtazCeltik 6 Dec 2017
        Replying to @MumtazCeltik @nytimes @RoyalSegolene

        At his time wonderful autor/singers as Leo Ferre or Barbara were appreciated by few .. My explanation of why French are very high in 'chansons' but not at the rest is; because 'Chansons' are lyric continuity of poetry, in which French are the one of the very best in the world. >>

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      4. Mumtaz Celtik‏ @MumtazCeltik 6 Dec 2017
        Replying to @MumtazCeltik @nytimes @RoyalSegolene

        That why I think the best - and for me; the only - French opera is Debussy's 'Pelléas et Melisande'. It is 'mi-parlé / mi-chanté'.. But if you miss the chance to hear the version under the 'baguette ' of director Armin Jordan, you may find it plate, 'simplette', even 'ridicule'.

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      5. Mumtaz Celtik‏ @MumtazCeltik 6 Dec 2017
        Replying to @MumtazCeltik @nytimes @RoyalSegolene

        As, at its first performance (1902) in presence of Debussy, Paris audience was leaving the Opéra-Comique hall by contemptuous jokes. Debussy, disappointed jumped on the scene to rip up his partition.. Because the livret by Maeterlinck and the music by Debussy >>

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      6. Mumtaz Celtik‏ @MumtazCeltik 6 Dec 2017
        Replying to @MumtazCeltik @nytimes @RoyalSegolene

        being charged by very complicated symbolist allusions yet extremly simple; and expressed by a very fine subtlety.. So the conducters (I have at least listened ten of them) those are not able to get enveloped by this very special mystical 'aura' fails and approach the ridicule ..

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      7. Mumtaz Celtik‏ @MumtazCeltik 6 Dec 2017
        Replying to @MumtazCeltik @nytimes @RoyalSegolene

        When I claim that 'Pelléas et Mélisande' is the unique French opera, I hear people asking: "Et 'Carmen' alors ?.." ; ok, Bizet he is French , but comme on; 'Carmen' is an 'espagnolade'... 'Les Contes d'Hoffmann' by Jacques Offenbach German-born French, >>

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      8. Mumtaz Celtik‏ @MumtazCeltik 6 Dec 2017
        Replying to @MumtazCeltik @nytimes @RoyalSegolene

        and - for me greatest opera after 'Parsifal' and before 'Norma' - 'Orphée et Eurydice' of Gluck - another German, but because he, himself adapted the French version - are notable. Rameau and Italian-born Lully, through very direct Italian influence are the important beginners.

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      9. Mumtaz Celtik‏ @MumtazCeltik 6 Dec 2017
        Replying to @MumtazCeltik @nytimes @RoyalSegolene

        ... And finally the continuity of 'Parsifal' into 'Pelléas et Mélisande' is so evidant ... Who else has captured Wagner's 'ensorcelantes' vibrations better, if not Debussy ?...

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      2. marialuisa cuppini‏ @mlcuppini62 6 Dec 2017
        Replying to @nytimes @Ermione42

        R.I.P. Johnny!🙁

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      3. Nath‏ @Ermione42 7 Dec 2017
        Replying to @mlcuppini62 @nytimes

        You knew him in Italy?

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      4. marialuisa cuppini‏ @mlcuppini62 7 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Ermione42 @nytimes

        Yes, Nath. In Italy he was more known in the 70s, when he was the husband of Silvie Vartan.https://youtu.be/Y1eiXCv54Uw 

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      5. Nath‏ @Ermione42 7 Dec 2017
        Replying to @mlcuppini62

        In Italian 😳 Didn’t know that! A monument here. Adored by his very numerous fans & knew by everyone.

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      6. marialuisa cuppini‏ @mlcuppini62 7 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Ermione42

        Yes, in my language.😉👍 Glad to have shown something new for you. A big hug, Nath!pic.twitter.com/zVWuqx3pDz

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      1. Bordelaise‏ @trinitydu33 6 Dec 2017
        Replying to @nytimes

        Une légende pour le public français. Il restera à jamais dans nos coeurs. Que l'on aime ou pas nous devons respecter sa mémoire au nom de sa famille et des millions de fans #JohnnyHalliday

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      1. Doug Steffan‏ @DougSteffan 6 Dec 2017
        Replying to @nytimes

        Just like what gordon Lightfoot is to us Canadians. A national icon.

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      1. Little Richardjohn‏ @Lil_Richardjohn 6 Dec 2017
        Replying to @nytimes

        NOW I find out how to spell it.

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      1. Aurélie Hucora‏ @Hucora222 6 Dec 2017
        Replying to @nytimes @RoyalSegolene

        Bonjour , J'espère que tu vas bien , je suis Aurelie de Nice novice ici et voudrais prendre connaissance avec toi si possible. Je te souhaite une bonne nuit en espérant avoir des nouvelles de toi

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