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    The New York Times‏Verified account @nytimes 5 Dec 2017

    John Oliver grilled Dustin Hoffman about a statement Hoffman released after he was accused of sexual misconduct http://nyti.ms/2AtfeYc pic.twitter.com/zrWEzabklr

    9:01 AM - 5 Dec 2017
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      2. Francine‏ @fmc3553 5 Dec 2017
        Replying to @nytimes

        There was a time, like 40 years ago, when woman would not have been believed and would have been vilified.

        1 reply 0 retweets 19 likes
      3. KeleleVotes‏ @KeleleArts 5 Dec 2017
        Replying to @fmc3553 @nytimes

        That time was still in effect last year

        1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
      4. sara  🎶‏ @paperdoll 5 Dec 2017
        Replying to @KeleleArts @fmc3553 @nytimes

        that time is still in effect today

        1 reply 0 retweets 10 likes
      5. KeleleVotes‏ @KeleleArts 5 Dec 2017
        Replying to @paperdoll @fmc3553 @nytimes

        True. I was trying to be generous since some of us are finally being believed.

        0 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
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      2. the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog‏ @c41ho 5 Dec 2017
        Replying to @nytimes

        Meryl Streep said in an interview IN 1979 that Hoffman groped her. In 1979. No one did anything. If they did nothing when Meryl Streep came forward, how impossible would it be for a woman who was not a world renowned actress to be heard? Women came forward. No one listened.

        1 reply 3 retweets 15 likes
      3. SIAM‏ @sheisartmoney 5 Dec 2017
        Replying to @c41ho @nytimes

        Bette Midler speaking on camera to Barbara Walters about Geraldo .... crickets until now

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      4. the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog‏ @c41ho 5 Dec 2017
        Replying to @sheisartmoney @nytimes

        DING DING DING

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      1. Beth‏ @Bethfromhere 5 Dec 2017
        Replying to @nytimes

        You know what's a really good way to keep women and men from coming forward 10, 20, 30, 40 years after the fact and claiming that you've assaulted them? DON"T ASSAULT THEM

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      1. Beth‏ @Bethfromhere 5 Dec 2017
        Replying to @nytimes

        A person who has been sexually assaulted owns that story and will tell it in their own time. She or he does not owe the abuser the courtesy of speaking out when it is convenient for the abuser. Because that would be never.

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      2. hashhag‏ @vviivviieennnne 5 Dec 2017
        Replying to @nytimes

        I’m not supporting Hoffman but this sort of railroading, kangaroo court questioning should be saved for a real courtroom. If it is too late then sadly NEITHER party can prove guilt or innocence.

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      3. Juantanamo bae‏ @sisyphusmyths 5 Dec 2017
        Replying to @vviivviieennnne @nytimes

        I’m not sure where the idea comes from that the courts are the arbiters of whether and when we’re allowed to call out people’s shitty behavior, or that social opprobrium can only be applied to individuals after a jury’s conviction.

        2 replies 1 retweet 5 likes
      4. hashhag‏ @vviivviieennnne 5 Dec 2017
        Replying to @sisyphusmyths @nytimes

        The question is whether we are willing to sacrifice even one person wrongfully accused for the greater good in order for change. That one person would never be able to clear their name. I in no way support the behaviours of the past & I do think change will & is happening. 2/2

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Juantanamo bae‏ @sisyphusmyths 5 Dec 2017
        Replying to @vviivviieennnne @nytimes

        Probabilities aside, this concern has to be mediated by the relative power of the individuals involved. This isn’t a case of the powerful railroading the powerless. Dustin Hoffman is a millionaire many times over, and has every one of the tools of the powerful at his disposal.

        3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      6. hashhag‏ @vviivviieennnne 5 Dec 2017
        Replying to @sisyphusmyths @nytimes

        Would you defend a male wrongfully accused so vehemently if they were penniless or if I showed you a picture of Heidi Klum groping a workmate's backside (probably in jest) would you support her even though she has money & power? You obviously have your opinion and I have mine.

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      7. Juantanamo bae‏ @sisyphusmyths 5 Dec 2017
        Replying to @vviivviieennnne @nytimes

        It’s abundantly clear that you never bothered to even look at the Hoffman allegations Oliver referred to. His behavior occurred in front of others on and off set, she documented it contemporaneously, shared it with her sister contemporaneously, and still has copies.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      8. Juantanamo bae‏ @sisyphusmyths 5 Dec 2017
        Replying to @sisyphusmyths @vviivviieennnne @nytimes

        Nobody is suggesting that the power of the state be wielded against him, only that he is not entitled to have accounts of his shitty behavior toward others kept secret.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      9. Juantanamo bae‏ @sisyphusmyths 5 Dec 2017
        Replying to @sisyphusmyths @vviivviieennnne @nytimes

        And the idea that any human being can and should go through life never allowing themselves to act on any information about others that hasn’t resulted in a successful court case is, quite simply, insane.

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      2. Peter Garrett‏ @TheUnrealPeterG 5 Dec 2017
        Replying to @nytimes

        I think it's naive for Oliver to think women wouldn't lie about that. There has been proof that women do. The Duke Lacrosse allegations for one. That means not ALL women tell the truth about it.

        4 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
      3. Eilene Zimmerman‏ @eilenez 5 Dec 2017
        Replying to @TheUnrealPeterG @nytimes

        I think lying is the exception to the rule, but your point is well taken.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Ding Ding Ding‏ @emmbizle 5 Dec 2017
        Replying to @eilenez @TheUnrealPeterG @nytimes

        Definitely exception BUT we need to focus on IMMEDIATE reporting. From this point on, no more 30 years later accusations. Change culture!

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Becca‏ @alpacaficus 5 Dec 2017
        Replying to @emmbizle @eilenez and

        How about we change the culture that blames women for being assaulted or harassed first?

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      6. Ding Ding Ding‏ @emmbizle 5 Dec 2017
        Replying to @alpacaficus @eilenez and

        Did I blame women?

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. Eilene Zimmerman‏ @eilenez 5 Dec 2017
        Replying to @emmbizle @alpacaficus and

        No, she's saying the culture blames women.

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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