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    The New York Times‏Verified account @nytimes 17 Sep 2017

    A baker argues that his cakes are a piece of art. A same-sex couple says that's a smoke screen for discrimination.http://nyti.ms/2wjnHfQ 

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      2. Nai Mei‏ @naimeiyao 17 Sep 2017
        Replying to @nytimes

        If the baker wins on grounds of "religious beliefs" this would open the door for a ton more discrimination of other people, not just gays.

        6 replies 0 retweets 16 likes
      3. Andrew H. Vaughan‏ @BoredomLTD 17 Sep 2017
        Replying to @naimeiyao @nytimes

        I wouldn't do the same, but I think the baker has a right to refuse service. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't force him to drink

        5 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
      4. Nai Mei‏ @naimeiyao 17 Sep 2017
        Replying to @BoredomLTD @nytimes

        I think my concern in this case is that it could be broadened to discriminate against anyone then. Blacks, women, obese, handicapped, etc.

        7 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
      5. Andrew H. Vaughan‏ @BoredomLTD 17 Sep 2017
        Replying to @naimeiyao @nytimes

        That wouldn't happen because then they'd go out of business. I think businesses have a right to close their doors, w/ awareness of risks

        2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      6. Nai Mei‏ @naimeiyao 17 Sep 2017
        Replying to @BoredomLTD @nytimes

        My point is that it's not more legally right to discriminate against any one group or another.

        6 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      7. Andrew H. Vaughan‏ @BoredomLTD 17 Sep 2017
        Replying to @naimeiyao @nytimes

        But this is bakery; a request-based business. Not medicare, not litigation. If a baker finds a cake too complex, he can refuse that as well

        3 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
      8. kas‏ @kasafc 17 Sep 2017
        Replying to @BoredomLTD @naimeiyao @nytimes

        But being too difficult to execute is one thing. Not serving a client based discrimination is another.

        2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
      9. Andrew H. Vaughan‏ @BoredomLTD 17 Sep 2017
        Replying to @kasafc @naimeiyao @nytimes

        But forcing someone to serve you is a violation of their freedom of religion. At this rate, is it discrimination if it's a religious choice?

        8 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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      2. Cindy Moore‏ @DesignO9 17 Sep 2017
        Replying to @nytimes

        I'm sure Lakewood, CO, has many more bakeries that would love to take money in for their business. Boycott Jack Phillips.

        1 reply 3 retweets 8 likes
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      2. i ain't happy‏ @stepazurek 17 Sep 2017
        Replying to @nytimes

        He can do whatever the f*ck he wants! There is ton of other good bakers...

        2 replies 0 retweets 21 likes
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      1. GRETA‏ @FinzGreta 17 Sep 2017
        Replying to @nytimes

        Ok, art. And sweat. He looks like he might sweat on the cakes. He looks sweaty. I'd skip him any way.

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      2. 8thAveAdult‏ @8thAveAdult 17 Sep 2017
        Replying to @nytimes

        Exactly why fight to give people your money. As a black man if you don't want to serve me I go elsewhere...find the right baker.

        1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
      3. chris brady‏ @chrisbr64178310 17 Sep 2017
        Replying to @8thAveAdult @nytimes

        but remember the days a lot of people would not serve blacks NOT RIGHT

        5 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      4. (((Leah)))‏ @lovely_leah_x 17 Sep 2017
        Replying to @chrisbr64178310 @8thAveAdult @nytimes

        ... the public should be aware of which bakers won't bake for gay couples, so they can know and possibly boycott. I'd like to see these...

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      1. Tokiti Wambe‏ @tokitiwambe 17 Sep 2017
        Replying to @nytimes

        That's bullying the baker and infringing on his rights it should be on basis of willing buyer willing seller free market principal

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      2. truthseeker‏ @peggy2599_peggy 17 Sep 2017
        Replying to @nytimes

        @adamliptak being a Christian involves living your beliefs.

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      3. Robert Fraass‏ @RobertFraass 17 Sep 2017
        Replying to @peggy2599_peggy @nytimes @adamliptak

        Then he shouldn't make cakes for anyone, since we are all sinners (which is a Christian belief).

        3 replies 0 retweets 13 likes
      4. truthseeker‏ @peggy2599_peggy 17 Sep 2017
        Replying to @RobertFraass @nytimes @adamliptak

        if you were a baker would you bake a cake a Saying Make America Great Again?

        2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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