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    The New York Times‏Verified account @nytimes 6 Dec 2016

    Angela Merkel has called for a ban on full-face veils “wherever legally possible” in Germanyhttp://nyti.ms/2h3HEPi 

    12:20 PM - 6 Dec 2016
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      2. Caroline Under Water‏ @Hashtag_Paris 6 Dec 2016
        Replying to @nytimes

        Okay, so we're just plain done with freedom of religion now? As a species?

        2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
      3. Captain Dan‏ @Nemosdrowning 6 Dec 2016
        Replying to @Hashtag_Paris @nytimes

        It is rather a political statement. The veil isn't even mentioned in the quran.

        1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
      4. Caroline Under Water‏ @Hashtag_Paris 6 Dec 2016
        Replying to @Nemosdrowning

        My understanding is that many practitioners consider it religious observance. Not wild about limiting free expression, period

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Captain Dan‏ @Nemosdrowning 6 Dec 2016
        Replying to @Hashtag_Paris

        My understanding is, that a hidden face is the opposide of an expression. No smile, no tears, just a black hole in the space.

        3 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
      6. Dennis Wilson‏ @SnowbieWan 6 Dec 2016
        Replying to @Nemosdrowning @Hashtag_Paris

        It sure is weird how a Muslim woman and a white man can have different opinions on what constitutes expression

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      7. Captain Dan‏ @Nemosdrowning 6 Dec 2016
        Replying to @SnowbieWan @Hashtag_Paris

        I see it rather as two members of the same society, not so much in your racist terms. Ps Muslims can be white too

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      8. Caroline Under Water‏ @Hashtag_Paris 6 Dec 2016
        Replying to @Nemosdrowning @SnowbieWan

        But do you have to understand/endorse every form of expression to support everyone's rights to expression?

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      9. Captain Dan‏ @Nemosdrowning 6 Dec 2016
        Replying to @Hashtag_Paris

        A women with a full face veil will hardly integrate into society. It is a huge disadvantage.

        2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
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      2. Patricia "beware nice people pushed too far" Gabe‏ @Autistikids 6 Dec 2016
        Replying to @nytimes

        again, forcing women to NOT wear something is just as controlling as forcing them to wear something.

        2 replies 1 retweet 18 likes
      3. Captain Dan‏ @Nemosdrowning 6 Dec 2016
        Replying to @Autistikids @nytimes

        The full face veil cuts the person off from society. I dont see how no full face veil has the same effect.

        0 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
      4. End of conversation
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      2. d  🇺🇸  🔔  🗽  🍂  🍁‏ @dougalpollux 6 Dec 2016
        Replying to @nytimes

        not a fan but shouldn't people be free to dress their own bodies the way they wish?

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      3. RTKash‏ @RTKash 6 Dec 2016
        Replying to @dougalpollux @nytimes

        Why don't you ask them if it's their choice? Oh wait you can't, they're only allowed to speak to their husbands.

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      4. d  🇺🇸  🔔  🗽  🍂  🍁‏ @dougalpollux 6 Dec 2016
        Replying to @RTKash @nytimes

        .. and to you apparently

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. RTKash‏ @RTKash 6 Dec 2016
        Replying to @dougalpollux @nytimes

        That's literally the point of the burqa, to shield them from unfamiliar men. It has no place in a free society.

        1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
      6. d  🇺🇸  🔔  🗽  🍂  🍁‏ @dougalpollux 6 Dec 2016
        Replying to @RTKash @nytimes

        i hope you find your free society

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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      2. Dr. Dre Amore‏ @bwilbur29 6 Dec 2016
        Replying to @nytimes

        and there falls the last stronghold of liberal democracy.

        1 reply 1 retweet 5 likes
      3. Chris Haver‏ @Havergoe 6 Dec 2016
        Replying to @bwilbur29 @nytimes

        Don't attach labels that don't fit and be surprised when a conservative party leader proposes something conservative.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Dr. Dre Amore‏ @bwilbur29 6 Dec 2016
        Replying to @Havergoe @nytimes

        In this sense I am talking about liberal in terms of a western democracy, not in terms of liberal vs conservative policy.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Chris Haver‏ @Havergoe 6 Dec 2016
        Replying to @bwilbur29 @nytimes

        I would disagree for several reasons. The most important is we aren't talking a ban in all public spaces.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Chris Haver‏ @Havergoe 6 Dec 2016
        Replying to @Havergoe @bwilbur29 @nytimes

        In a majority atheist country freedom of religion also means freedom from religion, example: judge or teacher.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. Chris Haver‏ @Havergoe 6 Dec 2016
        Replying to @Havergoe @bwilbur29 @nytimes

        And for a functioning democracy it is important that in a givernment setup you can see the person's face.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      8. Chris Haver‏ @Havergoe 6 Dec 2016
        Replying to @Havergoe @bwilbur29 @nytimes

        Considering this being a non issue and I have yet to know a person who saw someone in an actual Burka in Germany.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      9. Chris Haver‏ @Havergoe 6 Dec 2016
        Replying to @Havergoe @bwilbur29 @nytimes

        So claiming this being an indicator for Germany being a liberal democracy or not is slightly ridiculous.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      10. End of conversation

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