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    The New York Times‏Verified account @nytimes Sep 10

    In Opinion Former tennis champion Martina Navratilova writes of the Serena Williams and Naomi Osaka 2018 U.S. Open final, “We cannot measure ourselves by what we think we should also be able to get away with"https://nyti.ms/2Qhx5Xz 

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      2. Edward Browden‏ @edwardbrowden Sep 10
        Replying to @nytimes

        Some solid points, but what Martina misses entirely is that sports ARE emotional & they should be. Does that mean all responses are justified? No, but it does mean that there needs to be room for emotion & that’s on the ref to take into account. Ramos didn’t & caused escalation.

        37 replies 5 retweets 145 likes
      3. Ryan Emond‏ @creativelytired Sep 10
        Replying to @edwardbrowden @nytimes

        What you're not getting is that when Serena broke her racket it was an -automatic violation-. Ramos had no discretion. Because Serena already had a warning it was also an automatic point deduction for which Ramos also had no discretion.

        11 replies 5 retweets 203 likes
      4. Edward Browden‏ @edwardbrowden Sep 10
        Replying to @creativelytired @nytimes

        That is categorically incorrect as has already been displayed throughout the entirety of the internet that has now seen a plethora of racquet breaks from Murray, Djokovich & Federer without warnings. Again, the problem is no one really knows the rules, which is a shame.

        14 replies 4 retweets 81 likes
      5. Ryan Emond‏ @creativelytired Sep 10
        Replying to @edwardbrowden @nytimes

        Are you saying that men break rackets and don't get a violation? Can you point to a specific instance where that wasn't the case? It's my understanding that it's an automatic violation. First violation is a warning. Second is a point. Third is a game

        6 replies 4 retweets 125 likes
      6. Edward Browden‏ @edwardbrowden Sep 10
        Replying to @creativelytired @nytimes

        See, this is the problem: you’re speaking like you know the sport, but asking me for examples of things you would have already known existed if you truly knew what you were speaking about. And, therein lies the problem— the Trumpism of America. If you don’t know, don’t speak.

        31 replies 3 retweets 99 likes
      7. Ryan Emond‏ @creativelytired Sep 10
        Replying to @edwardbrowden @nytimes

        Nice deflection, so you can't. Oh look - https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/09/sports/tennis/serena-williams-umpire-carlos-ramos-us-open.html … Turns out Ramos has OFFICIATED GAMES FOR SERENA BEFORE. And oh look, there weren't any issues.

        4 replies 5 retweets 168 likes
      8. Ryan Emond‏ @creativelytired Sep 10
        Replying to @creativelytired @edwardbrowden @nytimes

        And oh, look, huge names in men's tennis have complained about Ramos because he's tough. Once again, I'm right. People are trying to make this about tennis writ large, but in this case, with this official, there's just no proof.

        3 replies 2 retweets 88 likes
      9. Edward Browden‏ @edwardbrowden Sep 10
        Replying to @creativelytired @nytimes

        There’s you, then there’s tennis... actual players who have spent decades on the court. I’m with them. Let’s go to Andy on this one...pic.twitter.com/4ZbGFqK2go

        13 replies 2 retweets 32 likes
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      2. Thad Williamson‏ @ThadWilliamson Sep 10
        Replying to @nytimes

        1/2 I don't think @Martina gives enough weight to Serena's apparent sincere view that her integrity had been attacked by the coaching violation call. From the tennis rule book standpoint, okay, perhaps whether she saw Patrick's signals or not is irrelevant. From a human POV...

        4 replies 2 retweets 22 likes
      3. el feto fefo‏ @elfetofefo Sep 10
        Replying to @ThadWilliamson @nytimes @Martina

        Rules are rules. If the judge did not apply them it would have been unfair to Naomi. It is what it is

        2 replies 0 retweets 66 likes
      4. Thad Williamson‏ @ThadWilliamson Sep 10
        Replying to @elfetofefo @FedericoMendoza and

        A) If the coaching rule were consistently enforced, none of the matches at the US Open would ever have been completed. B) Rules are there to serve a higher good, the fairness and integrity of competition. They aren't the highest end in themselves.

        2 replies 0 retweets 24 likes
      5. el feto fefo‏ @elfetofefo Sep 10
        Replying to @ThadWilliamson @nytimes @Martina

        A) That is a blatant lie. B) Rules are there to regulate a process, judges are there to make sure there is compliance/adhesion in a process. Judges may not have the same criteria, however, not applying basic rules shows simply that some judges do not do their job correctly.

        3 replies 0 retweets 42 likes
      6. Thad Williamson‏ @ThadWilliamson Sep 10
        Replying to @elfetofefo @FedericoMendoza and

        1/2 This is the rule: "Communication of any kind, audible or visible, between a Player and a coach may be construed as coaching." Eye contact between a player & coach could be construed as "coaching" consistently w/ rule. If refs actually did this, matches would be unplayable.

        4 replies 0 retweets 13 likes
      7. el feto fefo‏ @elfetofefo Sep 10
        Replying to @ThadWilliamson @nytimes @Martina

        That's your interpretation. "Coaching is considered to be communication, advice or instruction of any kind and by any means to a player." Eye contact without instruction , is just that, eye contact. You would be broke as an attorney.

        4 replies 0 retweets 30 likes
      8. Thad Williamson‏ @ThadWilliamson Sep 10
        Replying to @elfetofefo @FedericoMendoza and

        1/2 Thanks for your concern but I think I would be fine. The rulebook at one point says coaching is "strategic, tactical, and emotional advice" & among people who are close, a mere look..to say nothing of a raised eyebrow, nod, frown, smile... may constitute "emotional advice."

        1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
      9. Jason Blakey‏ @jasonpblakey Sep 10
        Replying to @ThadWilliamson @FedericoMendoza and

        How many straws did you clutch with that one 😂

        0 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
      10. End of conversation
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      2. K Webster‏ @Bowerygals Sep 10
        Replying to @nytimes

        No matter how white women try (as the author & many of us do -mightily) we don't fully get racism's toll. Ump's 1st call - just the latest cut. The post-birth outfit fracas/history noted here/1000 cuts not known to us. Until this shifts? "Conduct" is Tennis establment's problem.

        3 replies 3 retweets 37 likes
      3. Simone Simon‏ @mlee305917 Sep 10
        Replying to @Bowerygals @nytimes

        Rubbish, I am a black woman and understand the article very well. How about dealing with the Saturday tennis game. Rules are rules. Serena was rude. End of story. Stop making excuses.

        10 replies 11 retweets 236 likes
      4. NIC Rock‏ @NICRock242 Sep 10
        Replying to @mlee305917 @Bowerygals @nytimes

        That’s exactly what I’ve been saying. She was rude. Also, two wrongs don’t make a right. I am black also.

        2 replies 0 retweets 11 likes
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      6. Simone Simon‏ @mlee305917 Sep 10
        Replying to @paula_rogness @NICRock242 and

        Sorry, I am not. Why would you say such a dumb thing, because I expressed my opinion. Suppose I was to say you are a BOT.

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