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    The New York Times‏Verified account @nytimes Aug 23

    Steve Jobs' daughter, Lisa Brennan-Jobs, has written a devastating memoir with damning details about the Apple co-founder. She forgives him. Should we?https://nyti.ms/2PwLxul 

    7:30 PM - 23 Aug 2018
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      2. Philip Priestley  🇪🇺 🇮🇪‏ @PublicPriestley Aug 24
        Replying to @nytimes

        There will be Steve Jobs and Apple cultists who refuse to believe that Jobs was not an outstanding human being in every regard. There are people who feel the same about John Lennon. Both produced brilliant things - but both were awful arseholes according to most.

        9 replies 8 retweets 113 likes
      3. Writa‏ @Zacawrita Aug 24
        Replying to @PublicPriestley @nytimes

        The people that understand and love Apple the most knew that. I worked at Apple for 5 years and what Steve cultivated for his employees was incredible. He may be rude, too harsh, etc. But at his core he did care

        5 replies 2 retweets 21 likes
      4. Donny Dumpty‏ @SayNo2Dumpy Aug 24
        Replying to @Zacawrita @PublicPriestley @nytimes

        Good to know. People are generally complex, not all good or bad. You can be a genius businessman and a godawful father at the same time, though I bet he was thinking about his children as he lay dying.

        3 replies 2 retweets 23 likes
      5. Philip Priestley  🇪🇺 🇮🇪‏ @PublicPriestley Aug 24
        Replying to @SayNo2Dumpy @Zacawrita @nytimes

        At the end of it all, everyone will carry regrets - but the worst regret must be failure as a father or parent. Doesn't matter what you build.

        1 reply 3 retweets 46 likes
      6. Donny Dumpty‏ @SayNo2Dumpy Aug 24
        Replying to @PublicPriestley @Zacawrita @nytimes

        Agreed. If I screw up being a mother I’ve screwed up life. I know it’s harsh, but that’s my opinion as a mother to two beautiful young women, and three dogs, whose natural mothers left me to love and take care.

        0 replies 1 retweet 20 likes
      7. End of conversation
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      2. Prince Techno‏ @Geek_Prince Aug 24
        Replying to @nytimes

        Do ***WE** internet strangers nosing into his personal life FORGIVE HIM***?!? For his PERSONAL LIFE CHOICES?! DO WE FORGIVE HIM?! What the fuck is this article. If you think you have the right or ability to FORGIVE someone of their personal life choices, you need to grow up.

        28 replies 41 retweets 600 likes
      3. Chris P. Bacon‏ @BigNasty_75 Aug 24
        Replying to @Geek_Prince @nytimes

        🎯🎯🎯 Bruh this was my FIRST thought smfh.

        0 replies 0 retweets 64 likes
      4. End of conversation
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      2. Pete Kaplan‏ @pete_writes Aug 24
        Replying to @nytimes

        If you’re tweeting about how you don’t “forgive” Steve Jobs (like he did anything to you?) while you’re on your iPhone/iPad/iWhatever, you’d better check yourself.

        10 replies 14 retweets 187 likes
      3. David Angle‏ @David_Angle Aug 24
        Replying to @pete_writes @nytimes

        Hey may have created it. It's not like he is a God that is exempt from all personal judgment. However. I could careless about his personal life. He ain't my daddy. If he was then sure I'll lux around thinking of what it's like to have so much money and him being a super geek.

        3 replies 2 retweets 18 likes
      4. Pete Kaplan‏ @pete_writes Aug 24
        Replying to @David_Angle @nytimes

        I’m not saying he was perfect, but the general public (I.e - you and me) have nothing to complain about. We only benefitted from Steve Jobs. His family, in the other hand, is a different story. But if you own anything Apple, your life is made better because of him.

        2 replies 0 retweets 28 likes
      5. David Angle‏ @David_Angle Aug 24
        Replying to @pete_writes @nytimes

        I don't think benefit is even appropriate either. He doesn't hold a monopoly over the smartphone industry. If he did then I would only benefit from him. But right now I'm holding a phone crafted by someone else (WHO SHOULD'VE INCLUDED A BUILT IN HEADPHONE JACK 😡)

        0 replies 0 retweets 13 likes
      6. End of conversation
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      2. Donny Dumpty‏ @SayNo2Dumpy Aug 24
        Replying to @nytimes

        So Steve Jobs punished his daughter, Lisa, for existing and needing anything from him, by confusingly and in turns giving and withdrawing love and support. She reads like an abuse survivor, although it’s clear that she doesn’t wish to be seen this way.

        2 replies 13 retweets 95 likes
      3. Max Valley‏ @_maxvalley_ Aug 24
        Replying to @SayNo2Dumpy @nytimes

        His behavior was 100% abuse. It was really disturbing to read

        2 replies 2 retweets 32 likes
      4. Donny Dumpty‏ @SayNo2Dumpy Aug 24
        Replying to @_maxvalley_ @nytimes

        I mean, maybe she does really get that her dad was abusive and further expounds on that in her book. It came off here, though, as making excuses for his abominable behavior; the ‘he was kind to me sometimes, so it can’t be abuse’ sort of faulty thinking.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      5. Max Valley‏ @_maxvalley_ Aug 24
        Replying to @SayNo2Dumpy @nytimes

        I totally agree. Sadly a LOT of abuse survivors think this way for various reasons. I think the biggest one is a deep human need to feel our parents love us. Unfortunately, admitting someone was abusive makes it clear they really didn't

        2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
      6. Donny Dumpty‏ @SayNo2Dumpy Aug 24
        Replying to @_maxvalley_ @nytimes

        Exactly. It’s not uncommon for victims of abuse to go chasing after a parent for decades seeking love and acceptance, and trying to read the tea leaves in every little thing. Oftentimes abusers are sociopaths-at best narcissistic, and incapable of giving what’s normal and right.

        1 reply 1 retweet 5 likes
      7. Max Valley‏ @_maxvalley_ Aug 24
        Replying to @SayNo2Dumpy @nytimes

        SO true

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      8. End of conversation
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      2. ღ 🌻 ßôßßïé  🐞ღ‏ @lifesmiles69 Aug 24
        Replying to @nytimes

        his daughter should be ashamed writing this kind of shit it's NO ONES business how the man was in his personal life & angers me that she was too cowardly to write it when the man was alive but waits until after his death. Profiting from it by writing this. Go to a shrink!

        24 replies 4 retweets 43 likes
      3. 𝕋𝕙𝕖 𝔽𝕒𝕔𝕖𝕤 𝕆𝕗 𝔼𝕟𝕕𝕠 🎗‏ @EndEndoForever Aug 24
        Replying to @lifesmiles69

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