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    The New York Times‏Verified account @nytimes Jul 6

    They Came Here to Serve. But for Many Immigrants, the Army Isn’t Interested.https://nyti.ms/2zdJV4J 

    5:32 PM - 6 Jul 2018
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      2. Shellie‏ @ImSorry_SayWhat Jul 6
        Replying to @nytimes

        OR ... they, like many citizens, did not pass certain background checks or tests. Quit baiting people to outrage.

        1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
      3. Mark Moran‏ @mmoran0975 Jul 6
        Replying to @ImSorry_SayWhat @nytimes

        Did you even read the article? I'm guessing not. Start with Reading Rainbow and go from there! You can do it.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Hussain Alam‏ @Hussain_Alam11 Jul 6
        Replying to @mmoran0975 @ImSorry_SayWhat @nytimes

        Article mentions no numbers, and 2 stand alone cases of people failing background checks. His tweet is correct. In the military people enroll, then the background check is done, then physical tests etc. Hence when checks fail/uncertain they are "kicked out" before having served.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Mark Moran‏ @mmoran0975 Jul 6
        Replying to @Hussain_Alam11 @ImSorry_SayWhat @nytimes

        They are not told why the failed. People who failed had recently received promotions or even gotten an award. Don't pretend this has nothing to do with Trumps racism and hatred of immigrants. Your cognitive dissonance is astounding.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Anthony Channing‏ @AnthonyChannin2 Jul 6
        Replying to @mmoran0975 @Hussain_Alam11 and

        You can be kicked out at any time if something you had hidden in your past comes to light.

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      7. End of conversation
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      2. Michael Army Mike‏ @ArmyMike Jul 6
        Replying to @nytimes

        This is one screwed up article. The Army does NOT, and never was was authorized to grant citizenship or Green cards. What the military does is enhance somebody's ability to get a Green card, and absolutely speed up citizenship. I KNOW; I helped my Soldiers get theirs.

        1 reply 1 retweet 10 likes
      3. lctp72‏ @lctp72 Jul 6
        Replying to @ArmyMike @nytimes

        The author doesn't seem 2 suggest that it does, but is relaying the info given by the immigrants interviewed. The author also doesn't seem 2 clarify the pt. It makes me wonder if recruiters were telling the immigrants that they were granted 2 become citizens 2 get them 2 enlist.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Michael Army Mike‏ @ArmyMike Jul 6
        Replying to @lctp72 @nytimes

        Recruiters can't really tell much and promise too much: everything that a recruit is 'promised' is put in a contract at the MEPS. If it is not in the contract, it is not a promise. The issue is "What can the military do with people without citizenship?" The answer is "nothing!"

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. lctp72‏ @lctp72 Jul 7
        Replying to @ArmyMike @nytimes

        Yes, I know, but some do make promises before hand to make sure the process doesn't fall through. Nothing's guaranteed unless in the contract, but unfortunately, people don't always completely read those contracts. Not all recruiters do so, but I've meet my fair share that lie.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Michael Army Mike‏ @ArmyMike Jul 7
        Replying to @lctp72 @nytimes

        The Recruiter is NOT involved in the contract, only the counselors. Furthermore, virtually every single page of the contract is either signed or initialed by the applicant.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. lctp72‏ @lctp72 Jul 7
        Replying to @ArmyMike @nytimes

        How many people understand what a recruiter does or doesn't do? The pt I'm trying 2 make is that it seems people were made "promises" or were lead 2 believe that things would happen 4 them by people who shouldn't have spoken 4 whatever reason. (1)

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      8. Michael Army Mike‏ @ArmyMike Jul 8
        Replying to @lctp72 @nytimes

        Your last point is valid. It could very well be, that over a cup of coffee, or at an applicant's home, some 'promises' were made. It could also be, that people heard what they wanted to. Everybody involved in the process is an adult, with high school diploma, at least.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. Chuck‏ @ConstiConserve Jul 6
        Replying to @nytimes

        If this is about the AP story and it’s misleading headline, the New York Times is being just as misleading. We are only talking about 40 immigrants, mainly from China and Pakistan, who were administratively discharged for not being able to pass basic background checks.

        1 reply 1 retweet 8 likes
      3. boofsmom‏ @boofsmom Jul 6
        Replying to @ConstiConserve @nytimes

        These are not ‘basic’ background checks. Try again.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. Chuck‏ @ConstiConserve Jul 6
        Replying to @boofsmom @nytimes

        If you have some factual information I do not, please share.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. boofsmom‏ @boofsmom Jul 7
        Replying to @ConstiConserve @nytimes

        Read the article. My husband has to pass a background check to be a teacher. No one talks to his family, his neighbors, etc. A basic background check makes sure you’re not a criminal and that you’re not using someone else’s identity.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Chuck‏ @ConstiConserve Jul 7
        Replying to @boofsmom @nytimes

        When I joined the Army, I had to pass an FBI SBI, which included interviewing neighbors and friends.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      7. End of conversation
      1. Michael‏ @MykhailoXPIH Jul 6
        Replying to @nytimes

        This reminds me of the case of Joseph Pulitzer (as in Prize). He came off the boat as an immigrant & straight into the Union Army during the Civil War. He didn’t learn English until after the war because his whole unit was German speaking. Subsequently, as we know, he did well.pic.twitter.com/uRH1c6rM03

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