The power imbalance is precisely why it was highly inappropriate.
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Right. So the debate is really what differentuates "highly inappropriate" conduct from "abusive conduct" It's these three things: 1. Coersion 2. Corrupt intent 3. manipulation
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No. Anybody who goes into a relationship with somebody whilst in a position of power over them is abusing that power.
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That's a harsh position to take. My grandmother was my grandfather's secretaey.... they had 50 years of marriage.
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I agree it's strict. But it's an important principle in many settings - teacher/student, doctor/patient, priest/parishioner etc. - and you'd expect disciplinary action if found out. But I don't deny that sometimes people find a way of regularising the relationship.
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Monica herself said she pursued BClinton & when he told her "I can't do this" she said she'd tell her parents if he would not see her, but he was always kind to her. He got her job away from WH to end it. No one should be coerced to continue sexual relationship, even the man.
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Presumably he'd already allowed himself to be compromised otherwise such threats wouldn't work. It's very tricky. He made the mistake of entertaining any kind of flirtation at all.
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I respect you, Hillary, & I voted for you, but you’re not helping. Could you & Bill PLEASE disappear until after the midterms? In fact, until after November 2020?
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or forever...
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They just stared a tour. They will never stop
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Power is not just an age dynamic. It can also be status. POTUS is to an intern as s movie producer or comedian is to an aspiring actress Women - and men - on both sides should be shouting this down. This is fundamentally ignorant and flat out wrong.
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Totally agree and I voted for Hillary, but she WRONG ON THIS !!! She missed an opportunity to right the wrong of blindly standing by her man back then !!!
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Monica being an adult is the not salient point. It is that Monica herself said she initiated the encounters & pursued BClinton relentlessly even when he wanted to end it with saying ahe would tell her parents if he would not see her.
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"End it" means it had already happened when she tried to keep it going. An "adult" male with any sort of maturity and sense of decency would have sent her to work in another part of the WH as soon as she came on to him, not become involved with her. No matter how much she tried.
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This is true, but he did not use his power against her. He was not mean or threatening in any way. Monica said he was always kind to her. He got her a job outside the WH to end it. He tried to help her career, not hurt it.
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I don’t think anyone argues the consent between these two, the question answer here was about power and the answer of “age” is not the answer. She didn’t talk about consent or pursuit. Should a teacher be disciplined for having sex with an 18yo student who pursues them?
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Can we stop talking about this? Even Ms. Lewinsky no longer wants to discuss. Bill was rightfully punished & held accountable 20 years ago. We have serial sexual assault offenders in the WH & SCOTUS today scot-free. Let’s address this CURRENT systemic issue for actionable change.
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And children in cages.
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Couldn’t agree more, Stephanie!
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