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Quixotic Haskeller, climber, go player, blacksmith. Zcash core dev team member at http://electriccoin.co , spend my evenings working on http://aftok.com . He/him.

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    Kris Nuttycombe‏ @nuttycom 4 Jun 2020

    My unpopular programming opinion: checked exceptions are actually freakin' great, but using inheritance hierarchies for exceptions instead of sum types and composition is probably the worst error-handling idea ever.

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      1. Jeff Maxwell‏ @jeffreymaxwell 4 Jun 2020
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        I think that is the correct opinion.

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      1. Owein Reese‏ @OweinReese 4 Jun 2020
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        Doesn't that trophy go to Go and its Panic?

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      2. Kevin Meredith‏ @Gentmen 4 Jun 2020
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        What’s your ideal look like in Scala?

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      3. François Armand‏ @fanf42 5 Jun 2020
        Replying to @Gentmen @nuttycom

        I happen to have an answer which even talks about Java checked exceptions:https://speakerdeck.com/fanf42/systematic-error-management-we-ported-rudder-to-zio …

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      2. Saša Šijak‏ @ssijak 4 Jun 2020
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        What is the point of *forcing* the user to handle the exception in a place down the call stack where maybe it is not yet appropriate to make a decision? And while on sum types, why just not return the sum type like Either<Left, ErrorSumType>

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      3. Kris Nuttycombe‏ @nuttycom 4 Jun 2020
        Replying to @ssijak

        Declare it to be rethrown. Using Either is *fantastic* for errors that are relevant to the semantic domain - incorrect user input, serialization problems, etc - but call stacks are better for genuinely exceptional conditions.

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      1. Lander‏ @LanderLo 5 Jun 2020
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        I understand the motivation, but I think this is mainly a compromise due to the lack of better type propagation and execution contexts in our PLs.

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      2. Nicolas Rinaudo‏ @NicolasRinaudo 5 Jun 2020
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        I would agree, given a language that lets me declare "this function rethrows whatever its function parameters throws". Otherwise you get Java where you can't call `map` with any function that throws, which, at least in Java, ends up being most of them.

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      2. Alex Nedelcu‏ @alexelcu 5 Jun 2020
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        There are many problems with Java's checked exceptions and among those, the issue of sum types versus modeling inheritance hierarchies is a actually a minor one. And we don't have to guess. We can see how checked exceptions have been (mis)used in major Java projects.

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      3. Alex Nedelcu‏ @alexelcu 5 Jun 2020
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        More important problems: 1. error recovery doesn't happen often, "finally" is more important than "catch", checked exceptions make people ignore important errors in dangerous ways 2. error type is an encapsulation leak

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