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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Sep 4

      “If your method requires infinite storage space and computation speed to use, the problem is not that finite beings aren’t sufficiently rational, it’s that your method doesn’t work.” (@nostalgebraist re Bayes, but applies to many rationalist fantasies.)http://nostalgebraist.tumblr.com/post/161645122124/bayes-a-kinda-sorta-masterpost …

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    2. Kaj Sotala‏ @xuenay Sep 5
      Replying to @Meaningness @nostalgebraist

      Worth noting that this was written before Eliezer's "Toolbox-thinking and Law-thinking"; several LW commenters seem to feel that that the T-T & L-T post addresses the criticisms in this post (based on the comments at https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/gsQjde3qeZw36arYE/nostalgebraist-bayes-a-kinda-sorta-masterpost … ).

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    3. nostalgebraist‏ @nostalgebraist Sep 5
      Replying to @xuenay @Meaningness

      I disagree that this answers my criticisms. In particular, my section 7 argues that it's practically unfeasible to even write down most belief/decision problems in the form that the Bayesian laws require, so "were the laws followed" is generally not even *well-defined*.

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      nostalgebraist‏ @nostalgebraist Sep 5
      Replying to @nostalgebraist @xuenay @Meaningness

      To be a bit more precise, the framework with a complete hypothesis space is a bad model for the problems of interest, where the inability to work in such a space is part of the problem statement.

      8:08 AM - 5 Sep 2018
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        2. nostalgebraist‏ @nostalgebraist Sep 5
          Replying to @nostalgebraist @xuenay @Meaningness

          It's sort of like quoting an optimality result given access to some oracle, when talking about a problem without access to that oracle. If the preconditions of a theorem are not met in a given decision problem, "meet those preconditions" cannot be part of a strategy for it.

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Sep 5
          Replying to @nostalgebraist @xuenay

          From my current draft write-up of the same point…pic.twitter.com/4rwwmY3TAG

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        4. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Sep 5
          Replying to @Meaningness @nostalgebraist @xuenay

          And, furthermore,pic.twitter.com/ODMaWZO5pn

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        5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Sep 5
          Replying to @Meaningness @nostalgebraist @xuenay

          And also this. In conclusion, @nostalgebraist’s write-up is excellent, and afaict the LW commenters have missed his point.pic.twitter.com/fTZmD4Sg0f

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        6. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Sep 5
          Replying to @Meaningness @nostalgebraist @xuenay

          The only sense I can make of EY’s post is that it’s a reiteration of the Dutch Book argument: “yeah, whatever, but if you play a fair betting game using some other math, you’ll lose.” Which is true. Fortunately, the Count of Flanders. Unfortunately, nihilistic depression.pic.twitter.com/RNXMSbeHrZ

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        7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Sep 5
          Replying to @Meaningness @nostalgebraist @xuenay

          Another great discussion http://sci-hub.tw/http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0149206314547522 …pic.twitter.com/I2PkB9YHwD

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        8. Kaj Sotala‏ @xuenay Sep 5
          Replying to @Meaningness @nostalgebraist

          I wish you guys posted these comments at the LW thread not Twitter, so that the people disagreeing with you could answer and I could follow the conversation. :-)

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        9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Sep 5
          Replying to @xuenay @nostalgebraist

          I care about you. I don’t care about LW :)

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