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    Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 23 Dec 2018

    "IQ" THREAD "IQ" measures an inferior form of intelligence, stripped of 2nd order effects, meant to select paper shufflers, obedient IYIs. 1- When someone asks you a question in REAL LIFE, you focus first on "WHY is he asking me that?", which slows down. (Fat Tony vs Dr John)

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      2. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 23 Dec 2018

        2- It takes a certain type of person to waste intelligent concentration on classroom/academic problems. These are lifeless bureaucrats who can muster sterile motivation. Some people can only focus on problems that are REAL, not fictional textbook ones.pic.twitter.com/Cs8LlNPgEO

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      3. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 23 Dec 2018

        3- Look at the hordes with "high IQ" (from measurement) who are failures in real world rather than the ~50% correlation between IQ and success in 1) salaried employment, 2) jobs that select for edjukashion. Yuuge survivorship bias. 37 out of 38 PhDs in finance blew up in 1998!

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      4. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 23 Dec 2018

        Nassim Nicholas Taleb Retweeted medicaldoc

        If many millionaires have IQs around100, & 58 y.o. back office clercs at Goldman Sachs or elsewhere an IQ of 155 (true example), clearly the measurement is less informative than claimed.https://twitter.com/gorucker/status/1076847699100606464 …

        Nassim Nicholas Taleb added,

        medicaldoc @gorucker
        Replying to @JSp46305240 @nntaleb
        interesting point and observation in this thread. You can find billionaires with iq of 100 but I bet you cant find physics profs or grand chess masters . So what is the standard test truly testing?? I love the iyi concept!!
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      5. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 23 Dec 2018

        5- If you renamed IQ , from "Intelligent Quotient" to FQ "Functionary Quotient" or SQ "Salaryperson Quotient", then some of the stuff will be true. It measures best the ability to be a good slave. IYIs want to build a top-down world where IYIs have the edge.

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      6. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 23 Dec 2018

        Nassim Nicholas Taleb Retweeted David Sloan Wilson

        6- If you take a Popperian-Hayekian view on intelligence, then you would realize that to measure it you would need to know the SKILLS needed in the ecology, which is again a fallacy of intellectual hubris. David Sloan Wilson joined the debate.https://twitter.com/David_S_Wilson/status/1076869012250918912 …

        Nassim Nicholas Taleb added,

        David Sloan Wilson @David_S_Wilson
        No it's not! I side (in part) with @nntaleb and others such a Richard NIsbett (Intelligence and How to Get it) and Stephen Ceci (On Intelligence, More or Less). https://twitter.com/primalpoly/status/1076865816631472128 …
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      7. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 23 Dec 2018

        7- Perhaps the worst problem with IQ is that it seem to selects for people who don't like to say "there is no answer, don't waste time, find something else". Remember the 1998 blowups.

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      8. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 23 Dec 2018

        8- IQ is an academic-contrived notion. And the problem is that in academia there is no difference between academia and the real world; in the real world there is. Which explains why @primalpoly (while an honest resesrcher) can't see where we are coming from.

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      9. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 23 Dec 2018

        Nassim Nicholas Taleb Retweeted

        9- It is PRECISELY as a quant that I doubt "IQ". I've spent 34 years working w/"High IQ" quants. I've rarely seen them survive, not blow up on tail events. Those high IQ who have survived like @financequant /Renaissance happen to be yuuugely street smart https://twitter.com/TellYourSonThis/status/1076866246270828544 …

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      10. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 23 Dec 2018

        10- #SkininTheGame shows that the only robust measure of "rationality" & "intelligence" is survival, avoidance of ruin/left tail/absorbing barrier, (ergodicity). Nothing that does not account for ability to survive counts as a measure of "intelligence"-- just philosophaster BS.

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      11. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 23 Dec 2018

        11- A robust use of "IQ" is for low scores for special needs pple. But then practically ANY measure would work to detect problem & improvement. Or no measure: just a conversation #Lindy. But then psycholophasters are using it like cholesterol, transferring from tails to body.

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      12. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 23 Dec 2018

        12- If someone came up w/a NUMERICAL "Well Being Quotient" WBQ or "Sleep Quotient", SQ, trying to mimic temperature or oth physical qty, you 'd find it absurd. But put enough academics w/physics envy on it & it will become an official measure. That's what happened to "IQ".

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      13. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 23 Dec 2018

        13- For a measure to be a measure it needs to be: + UNIQUE + MONOTONIC or, at least + TRANSITIVE Hence IQ is not a measure, but something for psycholophasters to BS about.

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      14. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 23 Dec 2018

        14- Any measure of "intelligence" w/o convexity is sterile. https://www.edge.org/conversation/nassim_nicholas_taleb-understanding-is-a-poor-substitute-for-convexity-antifragility …

        20 replies 76 retweets 415 likes
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      15. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 23 Dec 2018

        15-" IQ" is most predictive of performance in military training, w/correlation~.5, (which is circular since hiring isn't random). QUIZ: translate the correlation into percentage of the time IQ provides a correct answer there.

        28 replies 44 retweets 313 likes
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      16. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 23 Dec 2018

        (hint).pic.twitter.com/ml3X1xkKFf

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      17. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 24 Dec 2018

        16- So Far: "IQ" isn't a measure of "intelligence" but "unintelligence"; it loses its precision as you move away from 70 (left tail). Where it's most hyped (*some* jobs) it predicts ~15- 63% of the time, ~10% if you demassage data. It it were a physical test, wd be rejected.

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      18. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 24 Dec 2018

        17- A graph that shows the synthesis of my opinion on IQ and the "reseasrch" results about it.pic.twitter.com/xZZFn4xNJB

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      19. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 24 Dec 2018

        18- (continuing graph). So far none of the IQ-psycholophasters seem to grasp that local correlation is never correlation is the commonly understood sense. So when they say "IQ works well between 70 and 130" it means: "IQ works well between 0 and ~85, maybe".pic.twitter.com/IAkkDP9hBm

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      20. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 25 Dec 2018

        19- A general problem w/social "scientists" & IQ idiots: they can intuit the very terms they are using. Verbalism; they have a skin-deep statistical education & can't translate something as trivial as "correlation" or "explained variance" into meaning, esp. under nonlinearities.pic.twitter.com/4fUQuRvf1c

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      21. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 25 Dec 2018

        20- This Tweet storm has NO psychological references: simply, the field is bust. So far ~ 50% of the research DOES NOT replicate, & papers that do have weaker effect. Not counting poor transfer to reality. How P values often fraudulent:https://arxiv.org/pdf/1603.07532.pdf … Same for g factor

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      22. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 25 Dec 2018

        Nassim Nicholas Taleb Retweeted Steve Stewart-Williams

        If you look at my p-haking above all the numbers by the fellow are upper bound -add category selection & the story is grim. Discount the story by >½. "If IQ isn't a valid concept, no concept in psychology is valid." Sorry but psychology is largely bust.https://twitter.com/SteveStuWill/status/1057962295999885312 …

        Nassim Nicholas Taleb added,

        Steve Stewart-Williams @SteveStuWill
        7. More generally, IQ tests are among the most reliable, predictive measures in psychology – one of the field's crowning achievements. https://aeon.co/ideas/how-clever-is-it-to-dismiss-iq-tests … If IQ isn't a valid concept, no concept in psychology is valid. pic.twitter.com/J5SzJctbTj
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      23. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 25 Dec 2018

        22- This tweet storm irritated many: 1) Charlatans with something to sell: without IQ & other *testing* psychologists have little to sell society; there is a vested interest in hacking/massaging the stats & defending the products. 2) Pple who want some races to be inferior.

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      24. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 25 Dec 2018

        23- Note 1: Why is Intelligence = (long term) survival? Because convexity, missed by IQ tests. You want to make those mistakes with small consequences NOT those with large ones. Academics ~ always focus on frequency of error not magnitude. Too Gaussianized. See #antifragile

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      25. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 26 Dec 2018

        24- Note 2: "IQ selects for pattern recognition, essential for functioning in modern society". Unfiltered pattern recognition makes you #FooledbyRandomness, to overnarrate, see false positives. Economics PhDs blow up in business. "IQ" good for @davidgraeber's "BS jobs"

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      26. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 26 Dec 2018

        25- For IQ idiots too slow: -If a 70 IQ is certain to fail but a 150 IQ has a significant probability of NOT succeeding, the ASYMMETRY has SEVERE statistical conseq. & "correlation" is BS term. -If variance is lower at some states & higher at others,"Bell Curve" is an illusion.

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      27. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 26 Dec 2018

        26- I mute/block all pple comparing IQ to a physical measure s.a. height of basketball players. IQ as presented is NOT a measure. Reminiscent of risk charlatans insisting on selling "value at risk" & RiskMetrics saying "it's the best measure". Metrics need to have properties.

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      28. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 26 Dec 2018

        27- Technical note I omitted: If IQ is Gaussian *by construction* & if performance is fat tailed, then either correlation betw IQ & performance doesn't exist or is uninformational. It will show a finite number *in sample* but doesn't exist statistically.https://www.academia.edu/37221402/THE_STATISTICAL_CONSEQUENCES_OF_FAT_TAILS_TECHNICAL_INCERTO_COLLECTION_ …

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      29. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 27 Dec 2018

        28-CURSE OF DIMENSIONALITY A flaw in the attempts to identify "intelligence" genes. You can get monogenic traits, not polygenic (note: additive monogenic used in animal breeding is NOT polygenic). The problem to some extent affect the "g" in IQ studies as it is multifactorial.pic.twitter.com/87weAlkplt

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      30. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb 27 Dec 2018

        29- Note Charles Murray, @charlesmurray, is responding to these with series of ad hominem attacks (I mean really ad hominem). I will retaliate by sticking to the science.

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      31. End of conversation

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