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    @nelhage‏ @nelhage May 30

    I've spent the last 6+ months working on a fast gradual typechecker for Ruby at @stripe, alongside @darkdimius and @ptarjan. Today we announced it at #rubykaigi2018, alongside an emscripten-based web playground: https://sorbet.run 

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      2. @nelhage‏ @nelhage May 30

        We're sadly not yet open-source, but the playground is up as a teaser and we will release once we have a bit more time. In the meanwhile we're happy to chat about it and answer any questions.

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      3. @nelhage‏ @nelhage May 30

        This is just one of the super interesting developer productivity projects we have in-flight at Stripe; We're hiring at https://stripe.com/jobs  if this is the kind of thing that strikes your fancy.

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      4. @nelhage‏ @nelhage May 30

        Oh, and one quick brag: we typecheck source at nearly 100k lines/second/core. This is by far one of the fastest tools I've used and we're very proud of it.

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      2. bokmann‏ @bokmann May 31
        Replying to @nelhage @dotMudge and

        Curious, why go this route as opposed to putting effort behind @CrystalLanguage?

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      3. @nelhage‏ @nelhage May 31
        Replying to @bokmann @dotMudge and

        Crystal has some really neat ideas, but it's not compatible enough with Ruby. We have millions of lines of Ruby we are adopting this onto incrementally.

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      4. bokmann‏ @bokmann May 31
        Replying to @nelhage @dotMudge and

        Many years ago @chadfowler convinced me that trying to add types to ruby without a compile step just converts one runtime exception to another. Are you adding a compile step for this?

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      5. @nelhage‏ @nelhage May 31
        Replying to @bokmann @dotMudge and

        No compile step; type annotations are represented as a DSL; runtime library optionally wraps and checks at runtime, static checker runs on the side.

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      2. rmosolgo‏ @rmosolgo May 31
        Replying to @nelhage @stripe and

        Looks great, I see some inspirations from RDL, is that right? (Typesystem built at runtime, not statically?)

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      3. @nelhage‏ @nelhage May 31
        Replying to @rmosolgo @stripe and

        Both, actually! We have a runtime system ala RDL that does checking by wrapping methods, and a second system that is completely static that parses the code+sigs and checks statically.

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      4. @nelhage‏ @nelhage May 31
        Replying to @nelhage @rmosolgo and

        Definitely some inspiration from RDL, though -- we borrowed their annotations for the stdlib (with some fixes: https://github.com/plum-umd/rdl/pulls?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Apr+author%3Aptarjan …+)

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      5. rmosolgo‏ @rmosolgo May 31
        Replying to @nelhage @stripe and

        Thanks, can't wait to catch up on the talk!

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      2. Hugo Estrada‏ @hugoestr May 31
        Replying to @nelhage @stripe and

        Do you have a paper or blog post describing your work?

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      3. Dmitry Petrashko‏ @darkdimius May 31
        Replying to @hugoestr @nelhage and

        There are no blog posts or papers out yet. Talk that would cover some details of rollout and implementation has been accepted to #strangeloop.

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      1. John Sloan‏ @JohnWSloan May 31
        Replying to @nelhage @stripe and

        Very cool! You should come to Nashville and tell us all about it @southeastruby!

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      1. David Smith‏ @Catfish_Man May 30
        Replying to @nelhage

        Oh wow. Congrats!

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      1. Jacob ⚡️Bednarz‏ @jacobbednarz Jun 1
        Replying to @nelhage @charleshooper and

        do sing out if you’re after another Rails monolith to try this out on! we’ve got loooaaddss of spots i now this would find issues 😁

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      1. Wojciech Adam Koszek  🥁‏ @wkoszek May 31
        Replying to @nelhage @stripe and

        Playing with the playground - that looks very nice.

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      1. Wojciech Adam Koszek  🥁‏ @wkoszek May 31
        Replying to @nelhage @stripe and

        def bar(foo: Integer):returns(String) !

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