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    1. north bay to north beach‏ @nbay2nbeach 10 Sep 2020
      Replying to @jrwiese @LWYERUP @chesaboudin

      Sideshows are victimless, non-violent crimes. There’s not much value in stopping them other than abating a nuisance... unless you stop them in order to prevent/detect more serious crimes, which means stopping them is pretextual, which the DA says the police should have done.

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    2. north bay to north beach‏ @nbay2nbeach 10 Sep 2020
      Replying to @nbay2nbeach @jrwiese and

      Therein lies the hypocrisy

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    3. north bay to north beach‏ @nbay2nbeach 10 Sep 2020
      Replying to @nbay2nbeach @jrwiese and

      I could also go on about the dangers created by intervening in a sideshow. People/vehicles fleeing in all directions creating a public safety hazard. Police intervention possibly necessitating the use of force. Google any video of police breaking up a sideshow and it’s obvious.

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    4. Joshua Robert Wiese‏ @jrwiese 10 Sep 2020
      Replying to @nbay2nbeach @LWYERUP @chesaboudin

      I don't think the critique of police is correct in this case. Agree w/you on risks of intervention. But also don't think police responding to sideshow complaints is the same as police targeting black and brown people for minor traffic violations to look for drugs and weapons.

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    5. north bay to north beach‏ @nbay2nbeach 10 Sep 2020
      Replying to @jrwiese @LWYERUP @chesaboudin

      Phrasing it like that, it’s apples/oranges. But what about police responding on-going drug dealing complaints in an area mainly populated/frequented by POC? Won’t the resulting stops be primarily POC? Will they still be “targeting” POC in those stops? Are those stops pretextual?

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    6. north bay to north beach‏ @nbay2nbeach 10 Sep 2020
      Replying to @nbay2nbeach @jrwiese and

      What about police breaking up sideshows as opposed to other large unsanctioned gatherings when sideshows primarily occur in low-income neighborhoods and neighborhoods mainly populated by POC?

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    7. Joshua Robert Wiese‏ @jrwiese 10 Sep 2020
      Replying to @nbay2nbeach @LWYERUP @chesaboudin

      I don't know about sideshows. But I do know that the State's 2020 RIPA Board Report showed that, in SF, Black people were stopped at rates over 5X their representation in the city’s overall population. Which is a greater disparity than LA or San Diego.https://oag.ca.gov/ab953/board 

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    8. Joshua Robert Wiese‏ @jrwiese 10 Sep 2020
      Replying to @jrwiese @nbay2nbeach and

      They were search almost 3X as frequently. And narcotics were seized in approximately 1.3% of all traffic stops, and weapons or ammunition seized in 0.6% of all traffic stops.

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    9. Joshua Robert Wiese‏ @jrwiese 10 Sep 2020
      Replying to @jrwiese @nbay2nbeach and

      And the SFDA office's policy is limited. They have "a presumption against filing possession of contraband crimes when the search stemmed from an infraction-related stop, and no other independent probable cause (such as observed contraband in plain view)"https://drive.google.com/file/d/1O5GqKD76M7ystoWaOnKnWnsne9D-hMx0/view …

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    10. Joshua Robert Wiese‏ @jrwiese 10 Sep 2020
      Replying to @jrwiese @nbay2nbeach and

      The point I'm trying to make is that pretextual stops have targeted black people more than others in SF. They aren't a precise or particularly effective tool. And they feed distrust, which makes it harder to solve crimes and hold those responsible accountable.

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      north bay to north beach‏ @nbay2nbeach 10 Sep 2020
      Replying to @jrwiese @LWYERUP @chesaboudin

      My point is that much of police activity is pretextual. But critics of tend to only bemoan pretextual activity when it’s convenient for them to do so. In this case, the DA, a critic of it, actually criticized the police for NOT engaging in pretextual activity.

      5:10 PM - 10 Sep 2020
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        2. north bay to north beach‏ @nbay2nbeach 10 Sep 2020
          Replying to @nbay2nbeach @jrwiese and

          That same DA is a critic of over-enforcement of quality-of-life, low-level, and nuisance crimes, but in this case he criticized the police for not enforcing those laws, regardless of whether the 1 police car there would have even been capable of managing a crowd that size.

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        3. north bay to north beach‏ @nbay2nbeach 10 Sep 2020
          Replying to @nbay2nbeach @jrwiese and

          It seems then that there’s a type and extent of pretextual activity that he is willing to accept and it may be the type that turns eyes away from him and the increase in shootings and homicides SF is experiencing.

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