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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Nov 2021

      South Africa has gifted us an early warning with Omicron. But earlier the warning, the less we know. Still, we must act now, while waiting for clarity. We need smart, comprehensive measures, not pandemic theater. Can we please, finally learn? New from me: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/28/opinion/covid-omicron-travel-ban-testing.html …pic.twitter.com/O3EI8lDam6

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Nov 2021

      We argue over travel bans, and sometimes implement them but in a way that makes little sense. Early containment measures *can* buy time, but they have to be *for real* containment, not just passport exclusion. (Virus doesn't care). And the real issue is using that time wisely.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Nov 2021

      This is *not* like where we were with Alpha or Delta when we first heard about them. Thanks to South Africa, we have such an early warning that it's impossible to be sure. Everything is still on the table. Fizzles out totally, catastrophe, in-between? Gotta wait for data.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Nov 2021

      Plus, I'm all for early, aggressive action when facing exponential threats but there needs to be benchmarks and a timeline for reversing precautionary steps. Such restrictions *are* a burden, and haphazardly putting a few in place and forgetting about them is not okay.pic.twitter.com/X2FTJyaK2i

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Nov 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Clare Hendry

      The world owes South Africa—a lot. It's also possible that they were simply the first to detect Omicron—and it's widespread already. We absolutely need to provide resources to them—and to the region. It's the right thing to do, and our moral obligation.https://twitter.com/Clare_Hendry/status/1465000341481603086 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Clare Hendry @Clare_Hendry
      Replying to @zeynep
      The immediate knee jerk travel bans have decimated what was left of the South African tourism and film industries. Many thousands of jobs lost. We do not have the resources to provide a safety net like developed nations. Surely there's a moral argument here too?
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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Nov 2021

      When facing an exponential threat under uncertainty, it's a *great* idea to put in friction quickly. Buying time is great! But we have to do it properly, then use that time, and be ready to reverse or change course quickly. Otherwise, we get all the burden but not the benefits.

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Nov 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted DemandaCovidRecount

      This is a myth. Especially for a virus that can transmit early in disease course, like this one, selection pressure is on transmission, not virulence. So a new variant can be MORE or LESS virulent (when everything else equal, i.e. host immunity).https://twitter.com/soccervolleymom/status/1465074442044850183 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      DemandaCovidRecount @soccervolleymom
      Replying to @zeynep
      After all this time, content creators don't know that more transmissible is typically very good. =Less virulent. They also don't know the gov isn't capable of modifying anything quickly or capturing quality data. Let the states address or ignore as they see fit.
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      Nate in LA‏ @natem42 28 Nov 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      But if this is a false alarm public health will have burned a lot of credibility when already strained. We may be at the ping where there is no such thing as erring on the side of caution.

      1:51 PM - 28 Nov 2021
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        1. Beau Dodson‏ @BeauDodson 7 Dec 2021
          Replying to @natem42 @zeynep

          They said all along they don't know how severe it would be. They won't lose credibility. It is because of them that we know there is a variant. They said to be patient. Data would be slow to come in. Seems they have been correct on all counts.

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