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    1. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb May 9

      Nassim Nicholas Taleb Retweeted Tim Whitmarsh

      Given what we starting to know about ancient DNA thanks to Reich, @iosif_lazaridis & colleagues, we should start downgrading these verbose, confused, accounts & fabrications by classicists & historians. Greeks then were very, very similar to Greeks (& Western Turks) todayhttps://twitter.com/Twhittermarsh/status/994190192251633664 …

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      Tim Whitmarsh @Twhittermarsh
      Here’s a piece I wrote on the Greeks and ‘race’ - with thanks for help to @donnazuck, @adriandkelly, @mt_genes and Sasha Mae Eccleston. https://aeon.co/essays/when-homer-envisioned-achilles-did-he-see-a-black-man …
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    2. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏Verified account @nntaleb May 13

      The other problem with @Twhittermarsh is that Greeks had a very primitive color vocabulary to generate reliable spectral conclusions. No color blue until late. Look at family names: in Levant Aswad/Asmar/Ash2ar, or in France Lenoir, Lebrun, Leblanc, Leblond, etc.

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    3. Tallis‏ @nastyinmuhtaxi May 13
      Replying to @nntaleb @Twhittermarsh

      The Greek vocabulary is extremely complex, and colors in Ancient Greek (especially in Homer & Pindar) often carry an extremely rich field of significations, using metaphor and metonymy. It seems primitive because it seems meaningless due to its complexity.

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      Tallis‏ @nastyinmuhtaxi May 13
      Replying to @nastyinmuhtaxi @nntaleb @Twhittermarsh

      Xanthos, for example, would be translated as "yellow" when it in facts describes a golden shimmer and is thus used of rivers, blonde hair, gold, etc. Porphuros is translated as red, but Homer uses it for the rainbow: the Greek understanding of color is emotional and connotative.

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        2. Tallis‏ @nastyinmuhtaxi May 13
          Replying to @nastyinmuhtaxi @nntaleb @Twhittermarsh

          Sappho uses "chloros", green, to describe her skin, the same way Pindar says "ioplokamos", violet-braided, of the Muses, and Homer speaks of "kuanos", blue, when describing hair, but "oinopis", wine-colored, when describing the sea.

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        3. Tallis‏ @nastyinmuhtaxi May 13
          Replying to @nastyinmuhtaxi @nntaleb @Twhittermarsh

          Because their understanding of color is that of an extremely rich network of images, emotions and themes: "chloros" reminds one of the shiny, translucent nature of a plant, and thus can be used of a woman's skin even if it is not "green".

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        4. Tallis‏ @nastyinmuhtaxi May 13
          Replying to @nastyinmuhtaxi @nntaleb @Twhittermarsh

          If we refuse to engage with a radically different understanding of perception such as that offered by Ancient Greece & expect to find nothing alien in the Greeks, we will always perceive their understanding of color as primitive when it is in fact in many ways richer than ours.

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        1. Tallis‏ @nastyinmuhtaxi Oct 9
          Replying to @nastyinmuhtaxi @nntaleb @Twhittermarsh

          More on porphuros: being re-semantized through its use in royal and priestly clothing, the term had acquired by Homer's time a connotation of divinity & royalty, so that the dreadful rainbow, sent by the gods to warn of terrible things to come, could be described as "porphuros".

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