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    1. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jun 23
      Replying to @tobyshorin @turtlekiosk

      Jaynes discusses Greek theories of self including thymos/phrenes/noos/etc and its unification in great detail in "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" but to summarize his discussion would require me summarizing the entire book, basically

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    2.  🎃‏ @turtlekiosk Jun 23
      Replying to @simpolism @tobyshorin

      do it, coward

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    3. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jun 23
      Replying to @turtlekiosk @tobyshorin

      ok. See image. Jaynes claims Greek consciousness incl idea of self developed in stages 1 = others have body feels 2 = we ourselves have body feels 3 = our body feels have psychological meanings 4 = these meanings unify into an "internal" self "analogous" to our physical presencepic.twitter.com/bOLcivncZD

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    4. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jun 23
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      thumos/phrenes/kradie/etor/noos/psyche refer to separate physical sensations in the Iliad that bicameral Gods used as "containers" (put vigor into thumos) usage of physical sensations as psychological metaphor increases over time, culminating w Pythagoras: psyche as unified soul

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    5. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jun 23
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      supposedly Pythagoras nicked this idea of soul from the Egyptian idea of "ba" (bodies of dead relatives speaking to you as gods), and this dualism concept lived on through Plato, Descartes, onward to today https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_concept_of_the_soul#B%C3%A2_(personality) …

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    6. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jun 23
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      but interestingly at the beginning of Jaynes' book, before he discusses the Greeks in any detail, a motivating question is "why do we look into peoples' head? as if that's where their consciousness lives?" and he uses this to redefine consciousness in metaphorical terms

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    7. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jun 23
      Replying to @simpolism @turtlekiosk @tobyshorin

      apparently the eyes have hallucinogenic properties, ancient ppl would keep the heads of their dead relatives around and "use" them (by looking at them) in times of decision-making, which would cause them to hear their dead relative's voices telling them what to do

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    8. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jun 23
      Replying to @simpolism @turtlekiosk @tobyshorin

      anyway might be cool to check out the ancient idols at the Met and see if you feel weird/anything. ok that's all i got

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    9. Tallis‏ @nastyinmuhtaxi Oct 10
      Replying to @simpolism @turtlekiosk @tobyshorin

      So according to Jaynes the Greeks who fought at Troy were basically NPCs.

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    10. simpolism‏ @simpolism Oct 10
      Replying to @nastyinmuhtaxi @turtlekiosk @tobyshorin

      kinda, Gods were "external consciousness" basically. Here are some pages from 1.3 in the book, I can link you a pdf if interestedpic.twitter.com/6wjvLRkxVA

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      Tallis‏ @nastyinmuhtaxi Oct 10
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      I'm interested

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        1. simpolism‏ @simpolism Oct 10
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