Short thread on Greek perception of color. Nietzsche actually thought they were colorblind.https://twitter.com/nastyinmuhtaxi/status/995840132367507457 …
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Fascinating!! Question, to tie this into my favorite pet theory of consciousness: did these metaphors shift over time (e.g. the Iliad vs Aristotle) or were they constant?
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They shifted, but they are relatively stable when it comes to archaic lyrical poetry (Sappho, Pindar mostly). There are PhDs to be made on the subject of the difference in colors between prose & poetry writers... but I read and found Plato & Aristotle to use colors differently.
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Was there an obvious direction or trend of shift? Such as from more literal/visual properties to more interior ones?
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Mostly wondering if it was analogous to thishttps://twitter.com/simpolism/status/1010646501230596097?s=19 …
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simpolism @simpolismReplying to @turtlekiosk @tobyshorinok. See image. Jaynes claims Greek consciousness incl idea of self developed in stages 1 = others have body feels 2 = we ourselves have body feels 3 = our body feels have psychological meanings 4 = these meanings unify into an "internal" self "analogous" to our physical presence pic.twitter.com/bOLcivncZD1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
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Homer thought the soul was in the center chest, not the brain... translations write "your black soul thought this up" where Homer writes "your black diaphragm".
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Which is logical when we consider that Greek for soul is psukhè, literally "breath", which would logically be located in the chest... only with Plato do we witness an affirmation of the head as the center of human consciousness, and the lengths he goes to, in order to prove it...
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...should hint at the fact that this was NOT common knowledge among the Greeks. He compares the head to a sphere, and since the sphere is the "perfect" shape, it follows that the "perfect" part of man should be in the head... just like the perfect spheres (planets) contain gods.
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so I just finished reading through https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism_(psychology) … and the thing is interesting but... I'm quite unsure about the Iliad being a good proof of pre-breakdown bicameralism
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Mythology seems like a good example but Homeric heroes have a rich interior and are actually constantly self-narrativizing, good examples of this through Iliad book VI, especially Helen's speech and Hector when he walks into his house looking for Andromache.
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Jaynes argues they were later additionspic.twitter.com/RPuNQhIbOX
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The line Jaynes quotes there as Iliad 6:117 is a rather complex line... translations often disagree, but the two lines are usually read together as "the black hide of the rim which ran round the outside of the bossed shield beat upon his neck and ankles"pic.twitter.com/jOo8GYMTkC
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