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Nate Holdren
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Historian + parent. For accountability my writing tracker: http://bit.ly/1LY1xvr  writing diary: http://bit.ly/2E27WKN  goals: http://bit.ly/1PFhq1P 

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    Nate Holdren‏ @n_hold 24 Aug 2018

    Me when a student asks a question the answer to which is in the syllabus: Why didn't they read what I wrote!? Me when installing our new washing machine: This manual has a lot of boring words in it and I can't remember the only paragraph I read, I bet I can just wing this.

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      2. Kathleen E. Kennedy‏ @TheMedievalDrK 25 Aug 2018
        Replying to @n_hold

        My first comp exercise is literally to list a few instructions from the syllabus and write why I might have included them. The prompt notes that we skip instructions all the time but sometimes it can hurt us!

        1 reply 1 retweet 38 likes
      3. Nate Holdren‏ @n_hold 25 Aug 2018
        Replying to @TheMedievalDrK

        I try to put everything in the syllabus - all the writing assignments, etc. It's wordy and it's all stuff I forget a lot of. How long's the paper? I dunno either. I remember the forest, not the trees. So I try hard not to have an attitude that no one memorized the users manual.

        1 reply 1 retweet 33 likes
      4. Nate Holdren‏ @n_hold 25 Aug 2018
        Replying to @n_hold @TheMedievalDrK

        Whenever someone asks a question like this outside of class I try to say 'please bring this up in class' unless it's time-sensitive, so everyone learns the answer, and when it's in class I just say 'I don't remember all the details either, let's look it up, get out your syllabus'

        3 replies 1 retweet 38 likes
      5. Andrew Reeves‏ @AndrewSshi 26 Aug 2018
        Replying to @n_hold @TheMedievalDrK

        I often tell the students that I put everything on both the syllabus and the LMS calendar because otherwise I don't remember it.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      6. Nate Holdren‏ @n_hold 26 Aug 2018
        Replying to @AndrewSshi @TheMedievalDrK

        I say that too. 'I can't remember stuff like this, that's why I write it down. Let's look it up.'

        0 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
      7. End of conversation
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      2. Prof. April Franco Ph.D.‏ @aprilmfranco 26 Aug 2018
        Replying to @n_hold

        Sure, but when you ran into trouble what did you do first: call the person who wrote the instructions or go back to the manual and read it?

        1 reply 0 retweets 14 likes
      3. Nate Holdren‏ @n_hold 26 Aug 2018
        Replying to @aprilmfranco

        I was by myself so I slogged thru the manual. If a knowledgeable expert had been on hand or available by phone I'd have asked first. I call my brother for help with my car. If he has an answer I don't open the manual. I'd be mad if he copped an attitude like 'did you even read?!'

        1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
      4. Prof. April Franco Ph.D.‏ @aprilmfranco 26 Aug 2018
        Replying to @n_hold

        Suppose that what you were calling your brother about was what type of gas to use in your car. It's in the user's manual. Would you be mad if he asked you why you didn't read it?

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      5. Nate Holdren‏ @n_hold 26 Aug 2018
        Replying to @aprilmfranco

        I would, yes. I'd want him to assume I have a good reason for needing to ask him rather than looking it up.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Prof. April Franco Ph.D.‏ @aprilmfranco 26 Aug 2018
        Replying to @n_hold

        Also this doesn't quite follow your analogy since he didn't write manual. This is like a student asking a classmate.

        3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      7. Nate Holdren‏ @n_hold 26 Aug 2018
        Replying to @aprilmfranco

        ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

        0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      8. End of conversation
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      2. Kagan Tumer‏ @kagan_tumer 26 Aug 2018
        Replying to @n_hold

        Cool, does your syllabus come in tiny fonts and eight languages?

        1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
      3. Nate Holdren‏ @n_hold 26 Aug 2018
        Replying to @kagan_tumer

        No it's super gripping because I'm charming, funny, and smart, which is why I don't get why they don't hang on my every single word.

        1 reply 0 retweets 25 likes
      4. Kagan Tumer‏ @kagan_tumer 26 Aug 2018
        Replying to @n_hold

        Perhaps you should consider ending the syllabus on a cliffhanger then?

        3 replies 0 retweets 28 likes
      5. Nate Holdren‏ @n_hold 26 Aug 2018
        Replying to @kagan_tumer

        genuinely laughing out loud at this

        0 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
      6. End of conversation
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      2. KGC‏ @GoldstineCole 26 Aug 2018
        Replying to @n_hold @RutiRegan

        .@karen_brennan tells students she has "lovingly curated" the creative and academic content and asks that we respond in kind. It's simply the best syllabus ever.

        2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
      3. Nate Holdren‏ @n_hold 26 Aug 2018
        Replying to @GoldstineCole @RutiRegan @karen_brennan

        Personally, when a student says 'when is the paper due again?' or 'how many primary sources is it again for paper two?' and so on, I take that as engagement with the material - they're trying to make sure they respond with care and diligence to the activities I've planned.

        1 reply 2 retweets 22 likes
      4. Block the Bots and Support #Kamala2020‏ @MissTallulah2 26 Aug 2018
        Replying to @n_hold @GoldstineCole and

        I tell my students I will answer endless clarification questions, but I have less patience for those easily answered by looking at the assignment sheet I gave them. I don’t expect them to go back to the syllabus, but they should be reading the assignment. 😀

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      5. Nate Holdren‏ @n_hold 26 Aug 2018
        Replying to @MissTallulah2 @GoldstineCole and

        My syllabus has a calendar of meetings with readings and assignments. When someone seems to have not even looked at that ('oh, there's a paper due next week?' when it says so twice) I do feel annoyed. But I try not to act on those feelings.

        2 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
      6. Rabbi Ruti Regan  🏳️‍🌈 ♀ 🇺🇸‏ @RutiRegan 26 Aug 2018
        Replying to @n_hold @MissTallulah2 and

        What's obvious from the perspective of an instructor is not necessarily obvious to students.

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      7. Rabbi Ruti Regan  🏳️‍🌈 ♀ 🇺🇸‏ @RutiRegan 26 Aug 2018
        Replying to @RutiRegan @n_hold and

        I've found that giving understandable instructions is one of the hardest parts of teaching, and it's one I make a *lot* of mistakes about.

        1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
      8. Rabbi Ruti Regan  🏳️‍🌈 ♀ 🇺🇸‏ @RutiRegan 26 Aug 2018
        Replying to @RutiRegan @n_hold and

        Also: students can't always assume that what's on a syllabus reflects the reality of what's happening in classes. It's not uncommon for instructors to change their minds or be overly ambitious about how much they expect to cover in a semester.

        1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
      9. Rabbi Ruti Regan  🏳️‍🌈 ♀ 🇺🇸‏ @RutiRegan 26 Aug 2018
        Replying to @RutiRegan @n_hold and

        It's pretty common for instructors to change the assignment on short notice and only announce this in class.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
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