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Marcin Wichary
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Writing a book about the history of keyboards: http://aresluna.org/shift-happens  · Design manager @figmadesign · Typographer · Occasional speaker · He/him

San Francisco, Calif.
Joined October 2009

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    1. Marcin Wichary‏ @mwichary 1 May 2020
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      For all the font foundries or type designers wondering how best to make sure their fonts behave well in @figmadesign, I just published a small guide on how Figma uses font metrics. Let me know if I missed anything important!https://www.figma.com/community/file/838187493478834415 …

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    2. Marcin Wichary‏ @mwichary 1 May 2020
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      Added one new note on the subject of vertical centering that comes up quite a bit:pic.twitter.com/XjMR1mh5sr

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    3. Indra Kupferschmid‏ @kupfers 3 May 2020
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      But that is only the case in all-caps settings (which are not as recommendable as mixed) and looks too low for lowercase. @djrrb’s Output fits better.

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    4. Arrow Type‏ @ArrowType 4 May 2020
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      Replying to @kupfers @mwichary @djrrb

      “Sentence casing” is a very common approach in design systems, so centering the caps really does tend to give the appearance of centered text (at least in English, where ascenders are more frequent than descenders). If you try to take x-height into account, it often looks worse.

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      (In most sans-serif fonts. I’m not doubting that DJR Output does it better, or that it is possible to do better. Part of the benefit of the idea to “center on the caps” is that it is easy for people to remember, and mostly true.)

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    6. Indra Kupferschmid‏ @kupfers 4 May 2020
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      Replying to @ArrowType @mwichary @djrrb

      Just very US design and language centric.

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    7. David Demaree‏ @ddemaree 4 May 2020
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      You’re not wrong. FWIW I think we had to produce a “UI cut” of Adobe Clean because the regular metrics created too many problems when using the font in contexts that expect SF/Roboto. UI frameworks and platforms make it hard to not use “Apple metrics”

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    8. Indra Kupferschmid‏ @kupfers 4 May 2020
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      Replying to @ddemaree @ArrowType and

      Those who want text centered in a box are not wrong. But it is not good to base this expectation in all-caps text (and neither on x-height).

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      Marcin Wichary‏ @mwichary 4 May 2020
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      Replying to @kupfers @ddemaree and

      Do you have visual examples, by any chance?

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        1. David Demaree‏ @ddemaree 4 May 2020
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          Replying to @mwichary @kupfers and

          I used to, but then I left Adobe. If memory serves Acumin and Myriad have similar default vertical metrics as “raw” Adobe Clean; if you drop them into a web or iOS project they’d replicate the original issue.

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        2. Arrow Type‏ @ArrowType 4 May 2020
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          Replying to @mwichary @kupfers and

          I made this test last year to compare Inter against system fonts. It just centers text with basic CSS padding. https://codepen.io/thundernixon/full/RONBKV … I think Segoe sits relatively lower, as they (probably) are taking Vietnamese accents into account in a different way than SF & Roboto.pic.twitter.com/1sJHqdoeuN

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        3. Marcin Wichary‏ @mwichary 4 May 2020
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          Oh, sorry, my question was for Indra – curious to see where the other variants of centering feel good.

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