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Marcin Wichary
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Marcin Wichary

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Writing a book about the history of keyboards: http://aresluna.org/shift-happens  · Design manager @figmadesign · Typographer · Occasional speaker · He/him

San Francisco, Calif.
Joined October 2009

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    1. Aaron Bell‏ @aaronbell 2 May 2020
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      Replying to @KLTF @mwichary @figmadesign

      While I think MS Office should follow the OT standard, I understand too well why it doesn’t right now (years of cruft and large corporate policy). But the standards are public. So new applications should be expected to align. Or do you just want to give them a pass? 🤷‍♂️

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    2. KLTF‏ @KLTF 2 May 2020
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      That’s a pretty peculiar way to look at it.

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    3. KLTF‏ @KLTF 2 May 2020
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      IIRC: Apps correctly chose OS/2 Typo values. Except for MS Office apps. MS didn’t like to fix that, there, instead introduced a funny flag – leaving it to type designers to fix MS Office apps’ bug. Or not. MS Office apps, turned out, didn’t bother to respect that flag for years.

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    4. Tiro Typeworks‏ @TiroTypeworks 3 May 2020
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      Use of Win metrics for linespacing wasn't limited to Office apps: it was near universal on Windows. And so many fonts had subsequently been made with that assumption, that a lot of Typo metrics were unreliable (early 2000s, metrics dara reliability has improved since).

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    5. Tiro Typeworks‏ @TiroTypeworks 3 May 2020
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      Simply changing from using Win metrics to using Typo metrics would have reflowed or broken a lot of existing documents using fonts that had inconsistent or incorrect Typo metrics. So MS wanted a solution that could be used in new fonts, but not affect layot for existing ones.

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    6. Tiro Typeworks‏ @TiroTypeworks 3 May 2020
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      The useTypoMetrics flag is supposed to indicate that the Typo metrics data are reliable, and hence should be used.

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    7. Marcin Wichary‏ @mwichary 3 May 2020
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      Replying to @TiroTypeworks @KLTF and

      Thats a great explanation. Do you know if they are, in practice? (If there is one thing I learned from this side of the pond is that font metadata cannot often be trusted verbatim en masse without an extra layer of historical context and interpretation.)

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    8. Tiro Typeworks‏ @TiroTypeworks 3 May 2020
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      My own approach has been mostly to set the useTypoMetrics flag only when the Win metrics need to differ from the Typo metrics, and always when I've carefully considered the latter and really do want them to be used. So I can say, yeah, the flag is reliable for my fonts.

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    9. Marcin Wichary‏ @mwichary 3 May 2020
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      Thanks! Might do some analysis on a large corpus of fonts.

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    10. Tiro Typeworks‏ @TiroTypeworks 3 May 2020
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      Will be interested to see stats for a) Typo/Win equivalent, bit not set b) Typo/Win equivalent, bit set c) Typo/Win not-equivalent, bit not set d) Typo/Win not-equivalent, bit set Might also be interesting to cross reference to date of font creation.

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      Marcin Wichary‏ @mwichary 3 May 2020
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      Replying to @TiroTypeworks @KLTF and

      I like the way you think.

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