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Marcin Wichary
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Marcin Wichary

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Writing a book about the history of keyboards: http://aresluna.org/shift-happens  · Design manager @figmadesign · Typographer · Occasional speaker · He/him

San Francisco, Calif.
Joined October 2009

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    1. Marcin Wichary‏ @mwichary 2 May 2020
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      I totally agree. This was partly in recognition that this is indeed a messy universe and hoping to provide information about otherwise a black box, and partly an invitation to point our the flaws in our thinking (which @aaronbell already did :·) ).

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    2. Marcin Wichary‏ @mwichary 2 May 2020
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      Figma’s weird multi-platformness also provides a different set of challenges, which I think it’s not particularly obvious (e.g. we don’t use win metrics even if you use Figma on Windows).

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    3. Marcin Wichary‏ @mwichary 2 May 2020
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      Generally, I would see it as a failure if Figma ever becomes an annoyance or an extra step necessary to account for during font production. Please give me/us feedback if that ever feels this way.

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    4. Aaron Bell‏ @aaronbell 2 May 2020
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      I hate to say it, but more likely font developers will just set metrics as we always have and if they don’t work perfectly on Figma, that’ll be on Figma. In my experience, hacks to support a single application beget hacks. So I’m going to be as standards compliant as I can.

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    5. Marcin Wichary‏ @mwichary 2 May 2020
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      I don’t think this is anything different than what I said. :·)

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    6. Marcin Wichary‏ @mwichary 2 May 2020
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      Maybe with one exception: As far as I understand all this, there is no actual standard to be compliant with – just a floating set of practices that evolve and change.

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    7. Aaron Bell‏ @aaronbell 2 May 2020
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      I’d say that there is a standard (or three), but because of the mishmash of implementations and applications that run 20 year old code, people have had to do all sorts of ugly things to try and achieve consistency. As @TiroTypeworks says, none of this should be necessary.

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    8. Marcin Wichary‏ @mwichary 2 May 2020
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      Agree! It’s no fun on our side, either. We have hacks in our code that serve no other purpose than to perpetuate hacks that existed elsewhere before, and that people naturally started relying on.

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    9. Tiro Typeworks‏ @TiroTypeworks 2 May 2020
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      Replying to @mwichary @aaronbell @koeberlin

      Programmers are really good at solving problems and making things 'work', which isn't always a good thing. Once upon a time, someone at Microsoft used Win metrics for linespacing, and that seemed to work, so they and their colleagues decided that was the thing to do. 🙁

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    10. Tiro Typeworks‏ @TiroTypeworks 2 May 2020
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      The frustrating thing is that the Typo and Win metrics had been separately defined in OS/2 precisely to avoid having linespacing and clipping handled by the same values. The Typo metrics had always been intended to be used for linespacing: the best choice, and the least used.

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      Marcin Wichary‏ @mwichary 2 May 2020
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      Replying to @TiroTypeworks @aaronbell @koeberlin

      Can I ask a naïve question – why is clipping necessary in this context in general? Was it a speed/technical limitation then, or something else? Is it still relevant?

      10:14 AM - 2 May 2020
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        1. Tiro Typeworks‏ @TiroTypeworks 2 May 2020
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          It's a good question, of the kind I usually rely on @g_r_e_g_h to answer (I think he *is* the institutional memory of Microsoft).

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