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Marcin Wichary
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Marcin Wichary

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Writing a book about the history of keyboards: http://aresluna.org/shift-happens  · Design manager @figmadesign · Typographer · Occasional speaker · He/him

San Francisco, Calif.
Joined October 2009

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    1. Tiro Typeworks‏ @TiroTypeworks 2 May 2020
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      As @aaronbell points out, if we're always aiming for compatibility across existing environments, some of which have been doing the wrong thing for three decades, we're never going to get to a better place where environments behave compatibly. /8

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    2. Tiro Typeworks‏ @TiroTypeworks 2 May 2020
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      My inclination is to set the hhea metrics to mirror the Typo metrics, because I know that at some point I might need to break compatibility of the Win metrics to avoid clipping of tall glyph additions. For me, that's best practice, given the kind of fonts I work on. /9

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    3. Tiro Typeworks‏ @TiroTypeworks 2 May 2020
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      With respect to @mwichary, I should never have to see an explanation of how one particular piece of software does linespacing, or recommendations on how to make my fonts work in a single piece of software. Linespacing should be a standard. /10

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    4. Marcin Wichary‏ @mwichary 2 May 2020
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      Replying to @TiroTypeworks @koeberlin @aaronbell

      I totally agree. This was partly in recognition that this is indeed a messy universe and hoping to provide information about otherwise a black box, and partly an invitation to point our the flaws in our thinking (which @aaronbell already did :·) ).

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    5. Marcin Wichary‏ @mwichary 2 May 2020
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      Replying to @mwichary @TiroTypeworks and

      Figma’s weird multi-platformness also provides a different set of challenges, which I think it’s not particularly obvious (e.g. we don’t use win metrics even if you use Figma on Windows).

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    6. Marcin Wichary‏ @mwichary 2 May 2020
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      Generally, I would see it as a failure if Figma ever becomes an annoyance or an extra step necessary to account for during font production. Please give me/us feedback if that ever feels this way.

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    7. Aaron Bell‏ @aaronbell 2 May 2020
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      I hate to say it, but more likely font developers will just set metrics as we always have and if they don’t work perfectly on Figma, that’ll be on Figma. In my experience, hacks to support a single application beget hacks. So I’m going to be as standards compliant as I can.

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    8. Marcin Wichary‏ @mwichary 2 May 2020
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      I don’t think this is anything different than what I said. :·)

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    9. Marcin Wichary‏ @mwichary 2 May 2020
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      Maybe with one exception: As far as I understand all this, there is no actual standard to be compliant with – just a floating set of practices that evolve and change.

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    10. Aaron Bell‏ @aaronbell 2 May 2020
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      I’d say that there is a standard (or three), but because of the mishmash of implementations and applications that run 20 year old code, people have had to do all sorts of ugly things to try and achieve consistency. As @TiroTypeworks says, none of this should be necessary.

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      Marcin Wichary‏ @mwichary 2 May 2020
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      Agree! It’s no fun on our side, either. We have hacks in our code that serve no other purpose than to perpetuate hacks that existed elsewhere before, and that people naturally started relying on.

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        2. Tiro Typeworks‏ @TiroTypeworks 2 May 2020
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          Replying to @mwichary @aaronbell @koeberlin

          Programmers are really good at solving problems and making things 'work', which isn't always a good thing. Once upon a time, someone at Microsoft used Win metrics for linespacing, and that seemed to work, so they and their colleagues decided that was the thing to do. 🙁

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        3. Tiro Typeworks‏ @TiroTypeworks 2 May 2020
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          The frustrating thing is that the Typo and Win metrics had been separately defined in OS/2 precisely to avoid having linespacing and clipping handled by the same values. The Typo metrics had always been intended to be used for linespacing: the best choice, and the least used.

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