Hmmm. I don’t personally find going down and back particularly tricky or unpleasant.¹² I do hate endnotes with passion for the same reason, though. ¹ At least on paper. Screens are another matter altogether. ² I would put footnote digit *after* punctuation, but that’s just me!
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Replying to @mwichary
I find them bad UX for the same reasons they'd be bad UX on the web.
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Replying to @jaffathecake @mwichary
At least on the web they can hyperlink back to their place in the text!
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Replying to @Orangetronic @mwichary
Exactly. Although an expand/collapse system, or a togglable tooltip mean you don't need to be jumping up & down the page at all.
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Replying to @jaffathecake @Orangetronic
Agreed. The jumping up and down stresses me out since it never gets the scroll position back in the right place. I did an implementation once that was a tooltip on big screens and expands on small ones and it felt really nice.
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Oh, it’s here (unfinished/unreleased page, but the links felt pretty good): https://aresluna.org/freelance/ Felt particularly good about the mobile expando stuff, how it scrolled etc.
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Replying to @mwichary @Orangetronic
I like this. Although it feels like the tooltips should also activate on focus.
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Replying to @jaffathecake @Orangetronic
Oh, interesting. Yeah. I never finished this fully.
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I’ve (elsewhere) done a slightly better Daring Fireball-esque pagenotes, too, once (with smooth scrolling, remembering your exact scroll position via JS, and eliding stuff at the bottom you’ve already seen) – it didn’t feel *awful*. But it was clearly paper on screen.
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What was surprising to me in that was how much smooth scrolling helped in understanding that the page scrolled up and down. In general, I wish browsers treated # changes in a smoother way, but that ship probably sailed long ago.
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