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Marcin Wichary
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Marcin Wichary

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Writing a book about the history of keyboards: http://aresluna.org/shift-happens  · Design manager @figmadesign · Typographer · Occasional speaker · He/him

San Francisco, Calif.
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    1. Marcin Wichary‏ @mwichary 5 Sep 2018
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      I’m not sure. I know German did have separate standards for manual and electric typewriter layouts, and that at least in the 1970s and 1980s German DIN standards actually were pretty effective. But I don’t have all of them on file – they’re pretty pricey.

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    2. Marcin Wichary‏ @mwichary 5 Sep 2018
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      Perhaps electric typewriters arrived in Germany late enough that that wasn’t a problem – or some other dominant manufacturer solved that problem differently.

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    3. Moritz Krähe‏ @moritzkraehe 7 Sep 2018
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      You only have an Alt Gr key on computer keyboards, it was only introduced by IBM in 1985. Before Alt Gr, a couple of symbols were missing from German keyboards to make space for äöü and ß.

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    4. Moritz Krähe‏ @moritzkraehe 7 Sep 2018
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      [{}]@| were missing, for example, and there wasn't a backslash either. That became a Problem when MS-DOS started using \ for subdirectories, of course...

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    5. Moritz Krähe‏ @moritzkraehe 7 Sep 2018
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      The point is, I'm guessing they shuffled a few more symbols around when introducing that key (or maybe even when adapting the QWERTZ layout for computers in the first place) because a few keys break the rule from the first tweetm

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      Here are the 1981 and 1985+ AltGr German keyboard photos that I have, but I also see a bunch of German electric typewriters that don’t follow that rule. It’s interesting!pic.twitter.com/VLxzQUzWae

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      It seems like even the 1981 had some sort of a AltGr-like system (with front legends), maybe using Ctrl?

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      My guess when it comes to electric typewriters is that later on the velocity problem was solved in some other way?

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    9. Moritz Krähe‏ @moritzkraehe 8 Sep 2018
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      Yeah, they must have solved it in some way, otherwise they couldn't have had , and ? on the same key.

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    10. Moritz Krähe‏ @moritzkraehe 8 Sep 2018
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      The tertiary symbols on the first one are fascinating. I'm not 100% sure what the keys say but I don't think it even has a Ctrl key. That's Alt below left shift, but I can't figure out what the key below right shift is supposed to be.

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      Ctrl is next to A, Caps Lock is below right Shift.

      12:09 AM - 8 Sep 2018
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        2. Moritz Krähe‏ @moritzkraehe 8 Sep 2018
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          Oh, I see. Didn't expect them that way round.

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          Neither did many other PC users. That’s why they flipped them to be more like Selectric a few years down the road. :·)

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