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Marcin Wichary
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Writing a book about the history of keyboards: http://aresluna.org/shift-happens  · Design manager @figmadesign · Typographer · Occasional speaker · He/him

San Francisco, Calif.
Joined October 2009

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    1. Francis Storr‏ @fstorr 30 May 2018
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      My current favourite is wrapping huge chunks of content in <a> elements so that a whole block of text, images, etc. is a link. My current record is a link with 65 words in. It's not locking the door, but it's a terrible user experience.

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    2. Elle Waters isn't here anymore.‏ @Nethermind 30 May 2018
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      Ouch! 65 words! I think that is a record.

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    3. Marcin Wichary‏ @mwichary 31 May 2018
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      Mind if I ask why is this bad/how does it manifest itself?

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    4. Elle Waters isn't here anymore.‏ @Nethermind 31 May 2018
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      It's about the overall ease of use in a normal (read: not testing) context. Beyond the flood of words (overly verbose stuff can be really, really tedious to listen to using a screen reader), it could actually cause some real confusion (what IS this run-on thing?).

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    5. Francis Storr‏ @fstorr 31 May 2018
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      If a link wraps all the content, the link text is everything inside of it: the alt text, the heading, the summary, metadata, etc. It's a horrible experience for screen reader users to hear all of that. The link in the image has 40 words in.pic.twitter.com/fy78PnnI58

      Wireframe of a typical block of news content with all content wrapped in an HTML link.
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    6. Marcin Wichary‏ @mwichary 31 May 2018
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      Thanks! I assume you’re suggesting the link should be around h2 instead? Is there a way to bridge that and a desire to have a nice big clickable target for people who use mice or trackpad?

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    7. Francis Storr‏ @fstorr 31 May 2018
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      See next tweet :) The Guardian also uses a similar CSS trick for their blocks of news stories (or at least, they did the last time I checked).

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    8. Marcin Wichary‏ @mwichary 31 May 2018
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      Can I ask you one other thing. There is another similar (in my head) issue where people use letter-like Unicode characters – for example to style their Twitter names – and those are poorly supported by screen readers.

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    9. Marcin Wichary‏ @mwichary 31 May 2018
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      But I wonder: At which point in both of these cases it should be the responsibility of screen readers to adapt? I feel like the web is malleable and like language — sometimes what early on feels like bad patterns get canonized as proper ones.

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    10. Marcin Wichary‏ @mwichary 31 May 2018
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      (See: HTML5 as a whole.) I keep hearing an argument that we need to adapt coding practices to screen readers – but is there another side of that coin where a pragmatic response would be for screen readers to adapt?

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      Marcin Wichary‏ @mwichary 31 May 2018
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      I should know more about this, so apologies if I’m retreading old arguments.

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        2. Elle Waters isn't here anymore.‏ @Nethermind 31 May 2018
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          With regards to icon fonts, there's a usability/understandability concern that the web *does* adapt to fix. We can use the conventions we have to make it readable for everyone, regardless of AT: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Icon_Font_with_an_On-Screen_Text_Alternative …

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        3. Marcin Wichary‏ @mwichary 31 May 2018
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          I didn’t mean icon fonts, but stuff like this: http://qaz.wtf/u/convert.cgi?text=This+is+pretty+fun+too.+Do+something+for+your+group+tag …

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