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    1. Almaqah‏ @_Almaqah Sep 13
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      what happens if they refuse to pay their fines

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    2. BillH‏ @mrhortywho Sep 13
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      Probably the same thing that happens to people that refuse to pay their taxes because they’re “sovereign citizens” or whatever.

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    3. Almaqah‏ @_Almaqah Sep 13
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      They get charged with crimes and sent to prison if found guilty. So there is jailing involved in Beto's plan even if it's not explicit

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    4. Angus Johnston‏Verified account @studentactivism Sep 13
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      Very few people get sent to prison for tax evasion, or for refusing to pay parking tickets. Mostly they just badger you, and at worst dock your pay.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. Almaqah‏ @_Almaqah Sep 13
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      Almaqah Retweeted Jesse Walker

      Well if true for Beto's plan that would go to @notjessewalker point of it being toothless. And of course you can lose your driver's license, etc for not paying parking tickets or other fines.https://twitter.com/notjessewalker/status/1172503614683844608 …

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      Jesse Walker @notjessewalker
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      Either (a) the authorities ignore it, and the mandate is toothless, or (b) the authorities try to enforce it, and Beto's anti-violence program winds up leading to more rather than less violence. (Probably a bit of both, depending on what part of the country you live in.)
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    6. Almaqah‏ @_Almaqah Sep 13
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      End of the day its giving the state more ways to punish people for something that won't actually reduce gun violence

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    7. Angus Johnston‏Verified account @studentactivism Sep 13
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      I'm not arguing it's a good law—I have no settled opinion on it. I'm just saying it's a law that could, if passed democratically, be implemented in the way that other laws have been in the past, without huge violent upheaval.

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    8. Jesse Walker‏ @notjessewalker Sep 13
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      When you're talking about a popular firearm, with literally millions of them in circulation, then the best comparison to O'Rourke's proposal would be the bans on widely used drugs. And I don't think enforcement of those laws has gone very nonviolently.

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    9. Angus Johnston‏Verified account @studentactivism Sep 13
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      "An amount and intensity of violence similar to that seen during Prohibition" is a much more defensible prediction than the one Tracey offered.

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    10. Jesse Walker‏ @notjessewalker Sep 13
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      I took "end of the American Republic" as Twitter hyperbole. But point taken.

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      Michael Tracey‏Verified account @mtracey Sep 13
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      Of course it was Twitter hyperbole -- he knew that I wasn't literally predicting the immediate collapse of the American Republic if Beto implemented his plan. Angry gun owners clearly don't have the capacity to overthrow the US government.

      7:29 AM - 13 Sep 2019
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        2. Angus Johnston‏Verified account @studentactivism Sep 13
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          So what WERE you predicting? You said that such a law couldn't be implemented "peaceably." What's the level of backlash you're envisioning?

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        3. Michael Tracey‏Verified account @mtracey Sep 13
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          You yourself just predicted "an amount and intensity of violence similar to that seen during Prohibition" which itself is a prediction that the law couldn't be implemented "peaceably."

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