Here's my extended, comprehensive debate with @cenkuygur on Trump/Russia, 2+ years in the making:https://www.patreon.com/posts/debate-with-cenk-25962815 …
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As contentious as this debate sometimes got, we kept it respectful and I’m sincerely appreciative that Cenk agreed to it!
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Noam Chomsky: "The quid pro quo is that he's increased military action on the Russian border. He's created a huge expansion of the military budget aimed at Russia, he's pulled out of the INF treaty, which is a major threat to Russia. What's the quid pro quo? "
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"Instead of creating closer ties with Russia, Mr. Trump told Ms. Merkel at the meeting that Germany should buy American gas."https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-a-russian-gas-pipeline-is-driving-a-wedge-between-the-u-s-and-its-allies-11552254955 …
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Cenk can play the we don't know game forever. There will always be "just if we had this information" on some crime that may or may not exist. It's circular thinking.
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Been looking forward to this
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I thought the debate revealed that
@CenkUygur's consciousness is informed by deference to the national security state & American imperialism. I defy any progressive to articulate one good thing the FBI or CIA has ever done that benefits everyday Americans.Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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This is great. Was more sympathetic to
@cenkuygur than I thought that I would be. Tracey wins because if only Cenk had couched his original suppositions with caveats - "Looks to me"; "In my opinion"; "I really think that...." - he would have made clear what was evidence...1 -
....based and what was extrapolations. I think that, perhaps, Cenk did make the case that TYT should be seen as distinct from sewage like Rachel Maddow and Sam Seder but that TYT still contributed into feeding the over-arching delusion. Great debate: both Tracey & Cenk did well.
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Watching right now. Cenk is convoluting and possibly suspicious cherry picked behavior with ironclad proof unless proven 100% not true which isn't how justice works.
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BTW,
@cenkuygur's point about server ping is laughable. Because the ping (between some Russian server that received Trump spam and Trump spam server) was never established. Only a ping to public DNS server that resolves the names on internet (with Trump domain name),. - 1 more reply
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Cenk is lost. I think hes pushing the Russiagate lie because of his finances. There are no other ways.
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Michael...You ROCK!
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