It's easy to be against "regime change" in principle, much harder to be against it in specific circumstances. That's why many on the Right who ostensibly claim to oppose regime change favor the Venezuela intervention. The unique circumstances justify it, they say. Same old trick.
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Nobody ever suggests "regime change" in Egypt, even though Sisi overthrew an elected president, massacred 800+ protesters against the coup, and has been killing and torturing dissidents since.
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Can't ignore the diff in religious dynamics bw the middle east and South America though. Venezuelans differ in politics, but they are capable of reuniting. The power dynamics between Sunnis and Shiites plus other religious minorities make the ME a uniquely difficult situation
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Furthermore, US economic force is as strong or stronger than US military force, and it’s being deployed with all metaphorical guns blazing (and has been for a long time, contrary to the impression of some).
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Economic cooperation is not a "right". Nations have to earn the right to do business with other nations. Every nation has the right of sovereignty - including the sovereignty to refuse to trade or interact with nations they don't want to (for whatever reason they choose).
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The current anti-socialist push on the right isn’t helping.
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Any intervention of Venezuela will be a tragedy and a disaster. I could even get behind it if we acknowledged that they have strategic natural resources that we could exploit. But no, it’s in the name of “opposing socialism”. Pathetic and lame
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Indicative of the complicity/abdication of Congress that US military (in significant numbers) can be deployed and prepositioned for potential combat ops w/o any real debate. Congress has been completely neutered on issues of war..few exceptional voices..Pauls and Gabbards, mostly
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Venezuela comes down to one thing: Do you want China to control the oil reserves or USA? Keep in mind oil is still an important economic input for a modern society.
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The US should let the Venezuelans handle this themselves for all sorts of reasons, but just to steelman this: if people are leaving Venezuela in droves, what are the prospects for a legitimate sovereign state in the future?
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March 19, 2011: US/UK/French/Canadian airstrikes were decisive in preventing Gaddafi's mechanized brigade from reaching Benghazi and defeating the rebel government proclaimed there. Gaddafi's position fell apart rapidly thereafter.
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The US staged military exercises in Honduras during the 1980’s and left behind enormous quantities of military equip for the contras. Same scenario here.
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You’re not engaging with our premises here. Guiado is the legitimate president of Venezuela according to Venezuela’s law and constitution as recognized by the international community and substantial factions in Venezuela.
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But Libya is doing much better now isn’t it?
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What about Russians looking to camp out in our backyard a la Cuba? That’s a legit concern: Russian client state with established beachhead in our hemisphere.
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If Trump starts facing a reality of losing a second term he will pull a Poroshenko only worse because he has much more power. Only a war will save him. Like Thatcher & The Falklands, most unpopular PM ever before Falklands most popular afterward. The resort of war for scoundrels.
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Exactly, the same people on the Right constantly use Libya as an example of why US shouldn’t interfere in other nations. I think it’s not about the principle, but about using it as ammo against “the democrats”. It’s short sighted and inconsistent with their purported principles
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