because if your concern is really ending detention and separation, you need to see how it happens not only with (but in addition to) trump's new policies, so all of it can be confronted. that way there are no half measures leaving families and kids behind.
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That sounds nice, but what does it mean in practical terms?
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It means that more-leftist-than-thou dudebros get to pat themselves on the back for declaring that everybody is equally terrible. Helping is not the point.
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i dont know why you both are so hostile to the idea that in addition to attacking these new trump provisions, we need to address the other ways families and children are harmed in the immigration system. im not trying to compare anyone and pat myself on the back for it. thats you
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Whether it's your intent or not, the conservative response to this has been to pivot from the horrific specifics of this policy into a general discussion about our "broken immigration system." At this moment in history best we can hope for is ending family separation.
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A Republican congress is not going to comprehensively and humanely address the issue of detained immigrants. These people positively revel in the suffering of immigrants. But we can shame them into ending family separations, which is an emergency.
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Precisely. Talking about comprehensive immigration reform is great, but that's not going to happen anytime soon. Saying "don't focus on the immediate problem without addressing the big picture" is an invitation to ignore the immediate problem.
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literally not saying ignore the immediate problem. i know thats your only real point but it's not even close to what i'm saying.
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That's what Tracey is effectively saying. It's a classic technique: Deny what you're doing and then go ahead and do it anyway. "I'm not calling you an idiot, but..."
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I don’t really care what Tracey is saying, that wasn’t the point of the article I wrote that he linked to
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I've also obviously never advocated for "ignoring the immediate problem." Rather, I've said if you ignore its systemic nature, the problem won't get meaningfully addressed
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We can damn sure address the immediate problem of "zero tolerance" prosecution resulting in thousands of families being separated from their kids, even if we don't fix every long-standing problem with our immigration system.
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yes i understand that is the democratic party's most likely plan
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