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5. That all said, if I hadn’t just moved to and bought a house up here in Alaska... I want my team to be satisfied and productive, but also want to do what I enjoy as well (mentoring and building and learning more in
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4. We won’t necessarily drop
#haskell completely. We still think it serves as the proper tool for where we want bullet proof type safety on more complex systems. We have to support everything we have built anyways, and it still worth teaching people FP concepts.Prikaži ovu nitHvala. Twitter će to iskoristiti za poboljšanje vaše vremenske crte. PoništiPoništi -
3. While I think the guys behind Reflex have done an amazing job, the nix ecosystem around it is yet another complex poorly documented system with which new devs need to learn. While I would prefer purescript here, it sounds like the team wants to explore elm.
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2. My primary senior dev has suggested we use Go (something I had previously used at this company), since a lot of the work is likely bog standard web APIs. The language is, frankly, boring, but I suppose in a good way. A dev can be productive in an hour.
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To answer a few moving away from
#haskell questions: 1. Our company is scaling out fast, and part of that is dev professional services. Perhaps in this case bringing new hires up to speed in the average 3 months isn’t reasonable given how fast the Cs want to take on customers.Prikaži ovu nitHvala. Twitter će to iskoristiti za poboljšanje vaše vremenske crte. PoništiPoništi -
We will still use it in a limited capacity (for the beefy "no really, this needs to be type safe" problems), just not for All Of The Things as we have been.
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At the end of the day (3 years) I wasn't able to take a group of non-Haskellers and get them motivated enough to stick with it long term.
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Sorry
#haskell community, I feel like I have failed you. My team will be discussing which tools they want to migrate to instead over the next few weeks, minus my highly opinionated position on it all
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I always do year end retrospective about
#haskell, but decided to do a forward looking piece instead. Haskell Problems For a New Decade http://www.stephendiehl.com/posts/decade.html …Hvala. Twitter će to iskoristiti za poboljšanje vaše vremenske crte. PoništiPoništi -
The thundering sound of ancient
#technical#debt rushing towards your team and threatening to destroy everything you have all valiantly fought to build; negligence derived doom set forth by a series of poor choices made numerous years before any of you even came into the picture.Hvala. Twitter će to iskoristiti za poboljšanje vaše vremenske crte. PoništiPoništi -
Hmm, last decade: - Worked at Japanese Mobile game companies building software at scale - Contracted with companies remotely - Got married - Daughter was born - Learned Haskell - Built Haskell culture and a team - Moved (back) to Alaska - Bought house - Started option trading
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My 5yo daughter keeps telling me how she wants to go to the moon.
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And sadly, it ties back to the original point: Documentation. I have no clue how to fix this really. I had thought I'd be writing a lot of useful blog posts these days, but I really don't have much to add outside of adoptions and mentoring anecdotes.
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I still think "show me a web tutorial so I can take off and be productive" is a terrible fallacy newcomers believe will help them, because they will run into good and proper haskellisms the moment they try to do any actual work rather quick.
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It's unfortunate that stacks vs cabal (and sprinkle in nix for good measure) became the fragmented thing it did 5 years ago. I think things are better now, but it circles back to the documentation point - makes it hard to buy into the language and ecosystem.
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To clarify: As a community we know this, but: Our documentation sucks, and we are terrible at explaining how to use our language to others (even though great effort has gone into trying!).
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My own personal irony is that while I absolutely love
#haskell and would love to see it prosper further, I feel like the ecosystem itself is the actual broken part - something that recently has me entertaining other solutions for future projects.https://twitter.com/mattoflambda/status/1210293796451184640 …Prikaži ovu nitHvala. Twitter će to iskoristiti za poboljšanje vaše vremenske crte. PoništiPoništi -
Diving back into art these days. Value painting study.pic.twitter.com/ScEFqhlgV9
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As I interact with other
#haskell peeps on here today, I sit here and silently wish my team and I were doing things a tad more interesting than what is essentially, "Enterprise, but in Haskell."Hvala. Twitter će to iskoristiti za poboljšanje vaše vremenske crte. PoništiPoništi
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