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Infectious disease epidemiologist and microbiologist, aspirational barista. mlipsitc@hsph.harvard.edu Director @CCDD_HSPH

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    1. Marc Lipsitch‏Verified account @mlipsitch May 8

      Two preprints recently make an important point: for any infection, including COVID-19, it is possible that herd immunity can be accomplished with more than 1/R0 of the population still susceptible. The first was by Gabriela Gomes et al. @LSTMnewshttps://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.27.20081893v1 …

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    2. Marc Lipsitch‏Verified account @mlipsitch May 8

      Just after was one from a different perspective by Tom Britton @Stockholm_Uni and colleagues https://arxiv.org/abs/2005.03085 .

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    3. Marc Lipsitch‏Verified account @mlipsitch May 8

      They are complementary. Both consider the impact of individual heterogeneity. Gomes et al. consider a well-mixed model with individuals varying in their rates of exposure or probabiity of infection given exposure (susceptibility).

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    4. Marc Lipsitch‏Verified account @mlipsitch May 8

      Britton et al. use social mixing matrices, which combine individual-level heterogeneity in (at least exposure) with age-structured mixing, so that one varies not only in HOW MANY exposures one has, but also TO WHOM.

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    5. Marc Lipsitch‏Verified account @mlipsitch May 8

      This difference in approach leads to a common finding: the most exposed/susceptible people in the population are more likely to be infected, and their infection is a bigger "hit" to the virus's transmission because they were more efficient spreaders.

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      Marc Lipsitch‏Verified account @mlipsitch May 8

      So virus transmission disproportionately removes those most useful to it from contributing to future transmission (if they become immune). The size of the effect varies depending on how much & what kind of heterogeneity occurs, but can plausibly be more than 10 percentage points

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        2. Marc Lipsitch‏Verified account @mlipsitch May 8

          First a few technical points. The preprints make a valid and important point. An important thing to point out, as Britton emphasizes, is that the proportion that need to get effectively vaccinated at random in a population to achieve the "herd immunity threshold" remains 1-1/R0.

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        3. Marc Lipsitch‏Verified account @mlipsitch May 8

          Naturally acquired immunity can get away with less because it is naturally targeted -- the high risk people matter most to transmission and are likely to get infected first. Vaccination (at random) doesn't do that.

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        4. Marc Lipsitch‏Verified account @mlipsitch May 8

          The idea of vaccinating or treating "core groups" in infectious diseases (kids for flu or pneumococcal disease, highly active persons for STIs) is to try to gain that same advantage for our interventions -- more bang for the buck by intervening on the transmitters.

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        5. Marc Lipsitch‏Verified account @mlipsitch May 8

          To do that we have to be able to identify them -- sometimes easier than others.

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        6. Marc Lipsitch‏Verified account @mlipsitch May 8

          A related point: identifying those who are most exposed or susceptible to getting infected may be harder than it looks. People on an island may be low-exposure in the sense that the infection will likely come to them only late, but once it is there it can transmit efficiently.

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        7. Marc Lipsitch‏Verified account @mlipsitch May 8

          To generalize -- those in some far off part of the transmission network may look like the "less susceptible" or "less exposed" but may be just as much in need of vaccine as others.

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        8. Marc Lipsitch‏Verified account @mlipsitch May 8

          It was partly awareness of this effect that made me -- early on in this pandemic to say I though 20-60% might get infected before herd immunity (even earlier I said 40-70%) even though most estimates were R0>2 implying in the absence of heterogeneity that 50%+ would get infected.

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        9. Marc Lipsitch‏Verified account @mlipsitch May 8

          Dr. Gomes in particular has been working on this issue for years now, and @ecoevo_kel (who coauthored the recent preprint) and I have even written about it with her. https://mbio.asm.org/content/8/6/e00796-17.abstract … .

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        10. Marc Lipsitch‏Verified account @mlipsitch May 8

          Since the early days of the pandemic, many of us have gotten a little sloppy and started using the simple well-mixed model numbers without qualification -- half must get immune if R0=2, two-thirds if R0=3. These preprints are good reminders that this is not strictly true.

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        11. Marc Lipsitch‏Verified account @mlipsitch May 8

          A more careful way to say it is that up to half/two thirds must become infected to get to herd immunity if R0 = 2 or 3, though likely less due to heterogeneity. However those proportions are correct if we are relying on vaccination for immunity , unless we can target vaccine.

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        12. Marc Lipsitch‏Verified account @mlipsitch May 9

          Several caveats for those who think this fundamentally changes our policy thinking. 1 while any heterogeneity will have some effect we don’t know how much exists for COVID. A hallmark has been relatively even infection rates by age though each study shows some variation

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        13. Marc Lipsitch‏Verified account @mlipsitch May 9

          2. The lower threshold depends on assuming the heterogeneity is permanent. Is a low risk person is always low risk. So if it depends on behavior for example it could change and thus increase the threshold back to theoretical max.

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        14. Marc Lipsitch‏Verified account @mlipsitch May 9

          In an extreme case we could reach a level of immunity in the pop that suppressed transmission under the contact patterns in social distancing and find that with a new “peacetime” distribution of who contacts whom some of the formerly low exposure are now high exposure & at risk

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        15. Marc Lipsitch‏Verified account @mlipsitch May 9

          3. There is respectable work that suggests R0 more in range of 4-5 or more https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0282_article … with faster doubling time than early reports and longer generation time than appreciated Bc most estimates included effects of control which shortens gen time

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        16. Marc Lipsitch‏Verified account @mlipsitch May 9

          I don’t know if this is right or not but it has gotten little discussion on Twitter that I have seen and it pushes herd estimates up. Have heard Ruian Ke the senior author present and not found major problem with the totality of evidence for this view for certain pops.

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        17. Marc Lipsitch‏Verified account @mlipsitch May 9

          4. For moderate R0 2-3 the 1-1/R0 threshold is sharply lower than the overshoot amount 1-f = exp(-R0 f).

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        18. Marc Lipsitch‏Verified account @mlipsitch May 9

          Marc Lipsitch Retweeted Shweta Bansal

          5. As @bansallab points out the conclusions of the preprints reverse with certain network structures https://twitter.com/bansallab/status/1258872610210877442?s=21 …. I hope @bansallab takes it from here to explain further.https://twitter.com/bansallab/status/1258872610210877442 …

          Marc Lipsitch added,

          Shweta Bansal @bansallab
          Replying to @mlipsitch @LSTMnews
          Thanks, Marc, for this great thread! While it's true that vacc herd immunity > natural herd immunity in heterogeneous populations, we've shown that this relationship *reverses* for homogeneous or highly structured populations (e.g. nursing homes). http://bansallab.com/publications/frailty.pdf …
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        19. Marc Lipsitch‏Verified account @mlipsitch May 9

          So bottom line these preprints make a v important point but I’m not celebrating. Hers immunity is still a long way off in most places.

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